Do you think Jamie Moyer (P) will be in the Hall of Fame after he retires?

Question

He has played for many teams...now is on the Phillies. He is currently the oldest MLB player at age 45...he plans to keep playing as long as he can. He is amazing...but good enough for Cooperstown? What is your opinion???

Answer 1

Unless he pitches until he is 55 and wins 100 more games, probably not.

Answer 2

I don't see that happening.

Answer 3

Yea you can't look always at wins. They keep saying we will never see another guy get 300 wins. That will get you in the hall def.! You look at how good of a pitcher he is and the fact that at 45 he still gets ppl. out. So they need to  make some kind of exception for a pitcher to get in Cooperstown since no one will ever get to 300, right?

Answer 4

Well, if he keeps on winning for lets say....5 more years, I'd say maybe. But as of now, no. The Mariners hall of fame for sure, if they have one. Moyer is good, but not great.

Answer 5

definitely not a first ballot hall of famer but he could eventually end up there one day but its not likely

Answer 6

No.

At 241 wins, and at age 45, I don't see that he has a shot at the HOF.  His W/L record is  241-185, but in the modern era, those are not HOF numbers.  His W/L percentage of .566 is OK, but not great.

None of the 8 most similar players to Moyer is in the HOF, although Luis Tiant (6th most similar) should be.  Jim Bunning and Catfish Hunter are the 9th and 10th most similar players.   However, Tiant, Hunter and Bunning were, in fact,  much BETTER pitchers than Moyer.

Moyer ranks 51st in career wins (with a lot of guys bunched up in those ranges).   Of the 51 pitchers with 241 or more wins, Moyer ranks  42nd in Fibonacci win points (a statistical method for assessing the career won-lost records of pitchers, based on their winning percentage and the number of games they are over .500).

He's only at 2,200 strikeouts at this point...having 3,000 or more would have helped him a lot. But he's not getting there.

Based on the HOF's recent voting history, I would be surprised if Moyer was on the ballot for more than one year... I doubt he'll even get 5% of the vote when he becomes eligible.

Also, 22 years in the majors with only one all star selection is not a good ratio at all!

The Keltner test is an excellent method (using subjective questions) of clarifying where a player stands in terms of making the HOF.

   1. Was he ever regarded as the best player in baseball? Did anybody, while he was active, ever suggest that he was the best player in baseball?

   2. Was he the best player on his team?

   3. Was he the best player in baseball at his position? Was he the best player in the league at his position?

   4. Did he have an impact on a number of pennant races?

   5. Was he a good enough player that he could continue to play regularly after passing his prime?

   6. Is he the very best player in baseball history who is not in the Hall of Fame?

   7. Are most players who have comparable career statistics in the Hall of Fame?

   8. Do the player's numbers meet Hall of Fame standards?

   9. Is there any evidence to suggest that the player was significantly better or worse than is suggested by his statistics?

  10. Is he the best player at his position who is eligible for the Hall of Fame but not in?

  11. How many MVP-type seasons did he have? Did he ever win an MVP award? If not, how many times was he close?

  12. How many All-Star-type seasons did he have? How many All-Star games did he play in? Did most of the other players who played in this many go to the Hall of Fame?

  13. If this man were the best player on his team, would it be likely that the team could win the pennant?

  14. What impact did the player have on baseball history? Was he responsible for any rule changes? Did he introduce any new equipment? Did he change the game in any way?

  15. Did the player uphold the standards of sportsmanship and character that the Hall of Fame, in its written guidelines, instructs us to consider?

If you can't answer "yes" to many (or any) of these questions in evaluating a player, then you need to ask yourself why he SHOULD be in the HOF.

I don't know how one can answer these questions objectively and think that Moyer has a shot at the HOF.  

I say he has no shot.  How many of these questions can be answered with a "yes" re: Moyer

Answer 7

He's had a nice career, but has done nothing remarkable, either.  He's won 20 games twice, but never had a season with an ERA below 3.00.  He's only had 31 complete games and 9 shutouts. He was an All-Star only once (2003) and he has only one positive single-season leader figure, that being highest W-L percentage in (.813 in AL, 1996), while he's had two negative leaders, Most HR allowed, AL, 2004, and most ER allowed, NL, 1997.  

Baseball Reference rates him on their HOF Monitor, with a likely HOFer having a number greater than 100, as a 47.0.

Answer 8

No way, he will probably end up with only 250 career wins, he should have 300 over that long a span and his career era is over 4.

Answer 9

No, not even close.

Answer 10

Only as a visitor.

Answer 11

no, he is good, but like Edgar Renteria good. not HOF worthy

Answer 12

He has no chance and doesn't deserve it.  He is a compiler and has just pithced a long time.  If Jack Morris isn't in the hall of fame, Moyer shouldn't even be mentioned.

Answer 13

Sadly, no. Longevity is not a reason to get into the HOF but I do think he will earn enough percentage of the votes to stay on the ballot for some time. Im not knocking on the guy as a pitcher because he is great.

Answer 14

as nice of guy as moyer is...he will never make the hall. playing for many teams or for many years means nothing when being considered for the hall. Unless he plays for another 15 years and gets to 300 wins, he will never get in

Answer 15

He wont even be on the ballot.