Do you think Swedes though feminists fought for "equality?"?

Question

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article581663.ece

It's funny that we see the same exact anti-male behavior there that we see here in the US. The same sexist assumptions about ALL men and abuse. The same reactions when they're critiqued.

...& yet people here still believe them and support them.

I wonder how many Swedish men tried to warn people about the feminists and got the usual "why do you hate women? ...Why are you trying to take away women's rights?"

I hope they gain a political party here. They've been operating "under the radar" here for so long & people stamp their laws with approval without question because they think they're "helping women."

I'd love to see them offer up their true agenda so everyone can examine it for what it is and not what they tell people it is.

Answer 1

my bloods up here, good, let them show their cards and the majority will speak.

radical feminists, a minority with mental and emotional problems who presume to speak for all women.

and the bleating sheep here with their weak excuses.  at least some of them had the courage to comment, most of them will run and hide.

Answer 2

"Operating in the shadows"... Hmmmm.  You must have missed the part where they say "when radicals such as Tiina Rosenberg".  Yes some radicals would like those to become laws however not all of us.  We do not operate in shadows I think here on Y/A we have been pretty upfront with what we want and what we don't want.  Feminist do not want to ban marriage; I am married.  Maybe though men do want to ban it (http://www.nomarriage.com) so I don't really know why men would be upset when a radical feminist puts it on her list.  Anyways as far as having boys I already have a name picked out for my son so as a feminist I don't plan on just giving birth to girls. I do like the idea of people undergoing the s*x change to be able to change their names... No one wants to see a boy named Sue even if she once was a girl.  I would hate the fact of having to pick my childrens names off a pre-approved list; wouldn't you? As for the "man tax"  I can sympathize with where they are going with it.  Yes men abuse women and then they just walk away leaving the women in a mental state where she is afraid and sometimes unable to work to support her and her kids.  However I don't think all men should pay for it.

Answer 3

Wow, I always suspected that feminism has some implicit man hatred reading some feminist scholars blogs, but at least now I have a reference when the bleeding hearts say:

"Feminism is about equality. Don't you support equality? Then you're a feminist too."

Answer 4

Not sure what "anti-male behavior" you refer to.  I don't see how it harms anyone for transgender individuals to be able to change their names legally, or for people to be able to name their children monikers that aren't on an approved list.

Taxes have to be raised in order to deal with the effects of domestic violence,  and that's "anti-male behavior?"  That would seem to assume that all men were guilty of domestic violence, which cannot possibly be the case.

Answer 5

Some Swedish feminist groups take things WAY too far. But I doubt they've enjoyed much success with their initiatives.

Answer 6

I think the phase "If it wasn't clear before, it's certainly clear now" suites what's going on right now in Sweden.

It's that type of mainstream radical feminism, that relies on the vengeance against the patriarchy philosophy, where innocent men are caught in their carefully hidden misandric agenda. Basically it's an eye for an eye, turning the tables type of effect, whether or not it's intentional or not etc.......

These people are true feminazis, you can't tell me they're justified in doing this. They're using the same tactic than, dare I say, Hitler used to gain power in the 30s.

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

-- Adolf Hitler

Answer 7

EDIT: How can they CREATE laws if they are not in power? That's simply ridiculous. They can make representations to their elected representatives like anyone else ~ including you, but they can't MAKE LAWS unless they are elected to power. That's one of the actual things about being elected. You get the power to MAKE LAW.

Also, I just looked up some information about Sweden. They have non-compulsory voting, with a voter turnout of about 85 per cent. If the Swedish people don't want to vote for someone, they won't. Therefore, if a party get INTO power, it would be because the Swedes WANT them. Or do you not believe in democracy, either?

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They are not "in power" they are one of many parties who present themselves at the poll for election.

If the voters want them, they'll get voted in, if not, they won't.

At the moment, it seems they can't even decide their own policy so it's unlikely they'll ever BE 'in power'.

As for some of the claims made ~ the article itself states that at present, in the NON-feminist party government people have to choose from an "approved list" of names for their kids ~ are you advocating removing people's choice in the same way? So people couldn't name their kids whatever they wanted unless it was on an 'approved' list?

And the article also states that BEFORE the party formed people were interested, it doesn't say if they still are after the wheels have fallen off.

Also, as far as people having gender reassignment surgery being able to legally change their gender (on birth certificates and etc), isn't that exactly what happens now in the US? It certainly is the case elsewhere and not even a little bit of sky has fallen down.

As for taxes being raised to deal with domestic violence, personally I'd be happy if the perpetrators of criminal violence had to pay something towards the social costs of their actions. At the moment, I pay for what they do through my taxes and it would suit me better if the responsible ones paid. I wonder who would pay most?

How many political parties form and get nowhere every year? This is certainly not the only one, and no matter how you want to play it, disorganisation ~ not gender seems to be their main problem.

Cheers :-)

Answer 8

sweden has one of the most gender equal societies. That is because they fought for it. They may be taking it far in some areas but that's how change happens. It will balance over time. This story is about a radical feminist who is considered marginalized by the main stream. You cannot make a point about a country using a radical as an example. That just makes whatever conclusions you come to untrue. Personally a feminist party does not make sense to me. I do wonder why that country has high domestic violence. That's crazy and amazingly, that little t*t bit of information did not faze you. No mention of that in your question, no men are the victims being taken over by women.

Answer 9

I have never heard of anyone advocating a man tax, a list of approved names, etc.  here in the US.  I think you have gotten things mixed up, or you are seeing giant conspiracies that aren't there.      They have some good meds to treat paranoia now.  

I do support people who have gotten s*x change operations being able to change their names- That goes for both types of gender reassignment surgery.

Answer 10

I love your idea of a Feminist Political Party...because that will truly force it out in the open and hold radical members to a higher standard.  And there will also HAVE to be a clear agenda or vision for all to see.

I would suggest that Feminists who are truly interested in equality for all would embrace such an idea.  Mind you, the notion that there is a 'feminist' party, versus a 'humanist' party suggests some kind of discrimination right off the bat, now doesn't it???