Do you think that by repeating a false statement it makes it true?

Question

How tired are you of listening, day, after day, after day, the same glorious fallacies about feminists. I don't have to explain, just proceed to read the first page of this GWS category.

Do some think that by repeating ad nauseum the same old, old, old, stereotypes about feminists it will make it true.

Or they just can relate by creating fights?

Answer 1

Like when feminists make many hateful statements about men, and then say "but, I love men" - and expect us to forget all the other stuff they said.  At least they always seem to do it when I need a good laugh.

Answer 2

No it doesn't make it true at all...if its false its still false....unless something is done to make it true

Answer 3

I agree, I am tired of hearing the same "glorious fallacies" from feminists...

Answer 4

Not by just saying it.  If they decide to make it true, and can do so, that's another manner.

Answer 5

many do use Y/A as a free propaganda machine - the father's righters do it.

many are more interested in getting the (free and practically effortless) propaganda out there and bashing women/feminists than they are in working towards the change (hard work) they say they seek.  

many are so insecure they can only pick on women anonymously.

a return to patriarchy, they believe, will give them back their (meritless, and again, effortless) power and authority.

yes, it is extremely tiresome to hear their same old unsubstantiated claims of sexist feminists and superior males. supremacy is nauseating to me.

down with patriarchy!!

Answer 6

The problem is that feminist are sexist.  They're not 'fighting' for equality of both sexes, they're only 'fighting' for one side and use equality as their front.  When someone holds a women's conference to empower women - it's reiterating the belief that women are powerless.  I think there heart is in the right place, yet they're not helping much.

Answer 7

no not really but if u think so then OK

Answer 8

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." - George W. Bush

Answer 9

One of the attorney's secrets on cross-examination is to say "Isn't it so that..".and make a statement.  If you ask the question enough times, then the "no" answer of the defendant will fade in the memory against the repeated falsehood.  

So yes, after a lie is said enough times it can become the truth, because people are naturally lazy and willing to accept what they are told on face value.  That explains all the questions about feminism and pedophilia.  That is the MO behind them.  

However that MO is available to everyone.

Answer 10

Unless you can come up with something that sounds believable then you can have people start agreeing with you but mostly you cant change a false statement through repetition.

Answer 11

By repeating the same old cliche myths and lies they can rationalize the reclaiming of their own priveledge.  I recall one Male in GWS stating that there wasn't enough power for everybody so in his opinion men should keep their and women should do without.  He may have even been referring to minorities with this statement.

I have also noted that the trolls like nothing more than upsetting others by basing their truths on their own twisted logic or lack thereof.

Answer 12

Everything here is based on opinion.  It's all vanity and chasing the wind.  I just come here to be entertained and the users here never fail to do that.

Answer 13

Out of all the answers, I tend to agree with Wendy G, though I feel a lie is STILL a lie, no matter how much it is told. I do not think that a lie becomes the truth overnight, unless the individual who hears it must have a vapid, empty shell of a head to begin with and that can go for ANYTHING and not just lies about feminist issues.  People have a tendency to believe what they want to hear and most people aren't willing or don't have the time to ferret out the truth.  So if a person believes or says a lie repeatedly, then it becomes the truth TO THEM, but those with perception and depth will still see it as the lie that it is.

Answer 14

Great question!

I am - it is very tiring.   They have their viewpoints and they aren't going to let the truth get in the way of their spewing garbage.  Think I'll head to chat.  

LOL Rio.

Answer 15

these guys who claim this are doing so as a 'scare' tactic to try to intimidate women in to not wanting to be feminists, that's all. We all know that.

No it doesn't make it true at all - You would have to be pretty dumb to actually believe what they say! There are some um, not so smart gals on here though that seek male attention by claiming to be anti-feminists. How sad!

The question is, why do these guys let ifeminist issues get to them? They have no understanding of it! Have they no life of their own? Clearly not!

:-)

Answer 16

What about statements that feminists tediously repeat (and are demonstrably false)?

e.g. "Gender is a construct". Amazing how many people of a liberal persuasion believe this to be true despite how easy it is to disprove. (Some feminists will concede, when pushed, that "of course biology plays a role" but will then carry on talking as if it doesn't)

Answer 17

Well I see Mike T finally made it to critical thinking 101, bout d**n time.

No.  But I don't think truth is the goal.  By repeating it over and over and over again, it causes listeners to believe it.  When repeated enough, investigation is no longer necessary and the statement simply becomes "common knowledge."

My guess is the majority of anti-fems on here could give a rats a$$ about men's rights or they'd be out there on the front lines.  Their goal is to take feminism down and restore "tradition" (whatever that means) by any means necessary.  Truth need not apply.

Answer 18

..if its a false statement to begin with, its not going to become true no matter how many times u repeat it.

Answer 19

No. The only way a false statement can be true is if, in this case, ignorant people buy into that statement. People with common sense and a good heart understand false statements are an idiotic attempt to get something stupid started.

Answer 20

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." - George W. Bush

Answer 21

Feminists do, and amazingly it convinces people e.g. the 'sexist' wage gap.

Edit

I fell for the big lie that feminism is about gender equality. I only saw through it when I studied it at university.

Answer 22

No, they desperately hope that if they repeat the same distortions and outright lies over and over that someone else will believe them in the absense of truth.

Failing that they hope to at least confuse people and cloud the issue in people's minds so that truth and meaningful action will be frustrated.

It's the Big Lie strategy, made popular by Goebbels but it probably goes back to the dawn of organised religion.

But I think the main reason antis spread these lies is as their way of bonding with each other.

I don't quite understand the psychology but it seems that hate groups feel a need to spread propaganda mostly to unite themselves and draw closer together. You see it with white supremacists and religious extremists in the US.

For us it means that countering the anti's propaganda with facts and reason really doesn't mean much because they know perfectly well that they are spreading lies and hate and they want to.

But I still think it's good to expose the lies and distortions of anti-feminist propaganda for the benefit of normal people who are not familiar with the history and current reality of the struggle for women's rights and equality.

Answer 23

As you can see by some of the answers, it is their own lack of rationale and logic that is the issue. It impairs their ability to discern a "true statement" from an inane stereotype.

Either they have worked very hard on deluding themselves into believing what they WANT to believe, or they are simply too stupid to truly tell the difference.

I leave it to you to decide.

Answer 24

"Do you think that by repeating a false statement it makes it true?" Of course not, but it's what feminists do all the time. They keep asserting that feminism is about equality although we all know that it isn't.

But what makes you think that "fallacies about feminists" are in fact "fallacies"? You are of course entitled to your opinion but that's all it is, with respect, YOUR opinion. Have you not considered the proposition that what you call fallacies are not fallacies at all?

If you want to know what "feminism" really is then you really must step outside of those women's studies courses and see reality as it is. Forget all that hype about feminism being about equality. Hate and fear and jealousy of men is what feminism REALLY is. Please open your mind to the truth.

(In your question you cite "feminists". We have nothing against feminists, they are people just like us, and we love them. What we find loathesome is the feminism credo of hypocrisy.)

Answer 25

What i know from experience is that you can speak things into existence not craft or voodoo but the bible tells how in the last days what you say come to be

Answer 26

Well...if a person repeats it, they will believe it.

Almost like the self-fulfilling prophecy.....

If you keep telling yourself that l*****g booty is good, then it shall be so.  If you keep telling yourself that all people who have made up theories and philosophical statements in the past are all geniuses and that no one can surpass them, then it shall be so.  If people read a book from some socially acclaimed "Intelligent" person and believes in everything that person does, for they are follows and it shall be so for all the days of their life :D...

If that person keeps telling themselves that all feminist are bra burning lesbians who want to shove all men, good or bad, into a pit of flaming vaginas, then it shall be so.

Answer 27

Your assumptions have been tried in the past by Joseph Goebbels of the n**i army. He has been said if you repeat something often enough people will believe that it is true.

As for another poster said, "about If I say, feminists are ugly and live with 37 cats, that is not false. Why? Because somewhere on this planet, there is a feminist with 37 or more cats."

Well that is just a universal statement because you implied that all feminists are ugly and live with 37 cats. So if you can find just one that isn't ugly or that doesn't live with 37 cats the universality of the statement is proved wrong so it can be universally denied.

Answer 28

i dont see many false statements made about feminists here.

Answer 29

Well, none of those statements are really false. A false statement is a statement that is COMPLETELY void. A stereotype is not completely void.

If I say, feminists are ugly and live with 37 cats, that is not false. Why? Because somewhere on this planet, there is a feminist with 37 or more cats.

Summary:

-Fact = 100% true and can be proven

-False = 100% untrue and can be proven untrue

-Opinion = Subjective

-Belief = Assumption based on information available

What 99% of people on this forum discuss are BELIEFS and opinions. Thats it!!

Answer 30

If it is a falsehood to begin with, then no amount of repitition will ever make it true.

Answer 31

Two wrongs don't make a right.