Do you think the Joe Gibbs Racing fine is fair?

Question

Do you think that they made a WAY to huge deal about it?

Answer 1

i think they was far. the drivers should not be punished but there is no way of telling that they did not know about. so they punished everyone. even the pit crews.  

Answer 2

I am a Gibbs Racing Fan,but any infraction of the rules should be delt with in what ever form to put the point accross.

With the controversy of Toyota in the Nationwide series this year and the number of questions brought up about their power plants NASCAR is cracking down,Gibbs Racing was caught and this punishnment sends out a message to the other teams that NASCAR is watching and not to cheat.

Punishment too harsh?No. Could have been worst, could have suspended the full team for a race.

Answer 3

I think the whole thing is, in itself, a complete asinine backwards thinking joke by some fools who should be running Chevys or Fords or Dodges in the first place.

Magnets are for Slot Car's!

Answer 4

No.. They got what they deserved by a long shot. They blatantly tried to hide something from NASCAR, and had all expectations of pulling the wool over their eyes.. I wish 200 points would of been taken away, including the indefinite suspensions for the crew members.

Answer 5

believe it or not, i don't think they made way too big a deal about it. i think the fallout from this in terms of penalties and suspensions and the rest will be good warnings to the other teams of two things:

1) it is one thing to "push the envelope" or to "explore a gray area" but to blatantly try to mess with the measurements being taken by the regulating body, whose job it is to "regulate" whether you like what they come up with or not, is a whole other level of dishonesty that cannot be tolerated.

2) it was a really stupid thing to do. did they really think that when the cars came up way short on horsepower no one would notice, especially given that vicker's toyota was slated for testing as well? and to use such antiquated methods to try to cheat that way, it was all just dumb. the stupidity penalty should apply.

as for the penalties themselves, i think that they are the harshest ever levied in the nationwide series is about right. i won't say whether or not they are "fair" because that is such an amorphous term, especially when dealing with nascar. but what those team members did was an egregious violation of the rules that deserved some stiff penalties. as for the suspensions and what jgr does to those people, time will tell. usually a nascar suspension means they can't show up at the track, but they can still work in the garage. joe & jd, however, may have different thoughts about that. what were they thinking? what was the real upside they expected? it definitely wasn't worth it.

two things i don't agree with, but guess i can understand:

1) i don't think the drivers should have been penalized. it had nothing to do with them, they are not the regular drivers of the cars they were in, and as tony stewart said on his sirius radio show bit on nascar.com, there was no way the drivers could have, or would have, had anything to do with placing those shims. and it drags their names through the mud when they wouldn't have stood for such a thing (at least not tony - he may go for "pushing an envelope" but something that stupid, i don't think so). but, it is a team sport, and when the team does something wrong, from leaving an oil tank lid loose to having too short a roof, everybody pays; the crew chief because the team is his responsibility, the car chief because the car is his responsibility, the owner because the buck stops wih him period, and the driver because he is the face of the team. i don't like it, but it is what it is. you win as a team, you lose as a team, you pay as a team...

2) i don't agree that the teams should have had their engines "reigned in" in the first place. if they had to make changes, they should have been made either at the end of the year or after nascar approved the chevy R07 for the nationwide series. but that decision was made and the teams were living with it. kyle had another win at orp - a track where hp doesn't mean so much - and then he had a second place finish in the #92., a totally different toyota for a totally different owner, at watkins glen, where horsepower does matter. then tony, joey, and vickers did well at michigan, a track where horsepower matters.  they would have worked that hp back, and i'm sure they were well on their way; thus the feeling by some team members that they needed to hide it to not be "reigned in" even more. sad, because having the highest dyno numbers used to be a matter of pride; now it is something to be hidden.

Answer 6

Like Mikey said on -this week in nascar-, and I quote, "Those magnets were scienced out to be the exact thickness they wanted".

Kinda funny coming from Jet Jell Mikey but true non the less.

This was an attempt at not gaining track performance short term, but an attempt at giving Nascar false data to improve track performance for them and all Toyota teams down the road.

I guess Nascar took it as them trying to mock them.

Answer 7

I think since it was deliberate then Joe Gibbs and J.D. needs to be on probation in the Cup series and the truck series.

Answer 8

enough about the gibbs penalties already!  

Answer 9

Except for penalizing Tony and Joey (who weren't in contention for the championship anyway) I don't think it was that big of a deal.  A few people will definitely get fired just for example but thats it. Once this season is over it's over.  

Answer 10

I have only a little heartburn with the driver points penalties but I understand NASCAR's reasoning behind it. The remainder of the penalties: I thought the $$$ too low, owner points too low, crew indefinite suspensions right on. I just hope Gibbs lowered the boom within his organization on those involved. If I were him, I'd have a few less employees after this. But the important thing would be to find where the initial and most blame lies. Then that one or two would be out of work at my place of business!

Answer 11

Indefinitely is a strong penalty. That's the same penalty they give drug users.

Everything else seems par for the course though.

They must have really pissed Nascar off.

Joe Gibbs integrity as a human being and businessman is intact without a doubt.  

Answer 12

For blatant stupidity? Yes

They could've elongated, or rotated, the linkage and at least they would have an excuse, and probably not even got caught.

I think you guys are making a big deal about it.

You guys though Carl Edwards penalty was half bad, and no one even cared about Truex losing points that probably cost him the chase. JGR fines and penalties are just a wake up call. They even said that was an "old trick". If they don't have enough ingenuity to create a new way to cheat, they deserve to get busted. And I would definitely send someone out the door and down the road, for being so "old school". And the indefinite thing is just a way to create drama. Believe me.

Answer 13

I think the penalties were steep, but fair is not for me to decide. I do however think that the blatant way the team went about it was a big deciding factor. Nascar is always on the lookout for cheating, and to thumb your nose at them, and insult their intelligence with such a low-tech scam did not make them happy. They didn't just poke the gorilla in the cage, they climbed right in and attempted to shave it's *** with the media watching.

Answer 14

i agree, nascar made a big deal out of it... its just a magnet to keep the horsepower lower. joey and tony lost 150 points so what they are like in 20th in points. I think its kind of harsh because of the owner points.

Answer 15

Yes. It was a blatant attempt to deceive. That will get you fired in most work places. Gibbs should fire those crew chiefs or whoever cooked up this scheme. The drivers probably knew nothing about the magnets. Neither Stewart nor Logano were running for the championship so the penalty to them was moot. The loss in owner points and the suspension of the crew chiefs will hurt the most.