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Do you think the majority of religious people are virtuous...?

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because they have such high moral standards or because they haven't confronted themselves with a real temptation?

Do you think there can be people who would overcome any temptation, or that people are virtuous just as long as they don't experience something strong enough to lure them?

I personally don't believe in saints who beat up all temptations... I believe in saints who beat up small temptations and run away from the major ones...

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  1. Virtue is not born of avoiding temptation, but of succumbing to the temptation to allow one's actions to benefit the greater good.

    Often, it seems that myopic religiosity can blind one's eyes to the greater good & leave them tending only to the good of those who agree with them.


  2. I think they recognize the plights of yesterday and today, some with profound wisdom.

  3. Desire is the root cause of human behaviour.Knowledge functions over subject-object relationship.This relation sustains and continue as long as we speak outwardly or inwardly.

  4. I think 'religious people' feel that they need all the

    help they can get to even maintain an illusion of virtue.

    Many use religion as an excuse for otherwise unjustifiable behaviors.

  5. nah, craps. dun believe then take a good look and a good observation on the government pple, they oredi tell u directly. hah Reason : power and money corrupt everyone, no matter who u are....unless it is me cos power and money never happen for me :))

  6. Your question implies that atheists and agnostics can not be virtuous and lack moral standards.

    I think anyone can be virtuous, regardless of if they are religious or not. Moral's do not come from religions.

  7. The only belief that you have which is relevant in the long run is your belief in God.  Or lack thereof.  Do you think you will escape judgement just because you can point at someone else who did worse?  Don't make me laugh.

  8. it's all about faith. the more you beat up temptations, the stronger your faith is, the more religious you'd appeal. being 'religious' isn't something that's enough with religious knowledge and preach. it isn't sumthing that people can choose to entitled themselves either. it's upon how you pursue on this life. religious studies' scholar might  be a few number of people, but certainly being religious is an open chance for everyone. this world isn't something like a reality TV show where the place is limited.it's for everyone, and everyone could work on to be virtuous. it's all about resisting temptations and get level up. the difference is just, whether people are interested at it or not. but speaking of ability, yes, we actually could.

  9. ,,,No, I don't...I think the majority of people with sincere Faith (not to be confused with Religion) know only too well what temptations are flying around out there and have not been immune to it's lure...the "giving in" to the lure is another matter...for belief is finding strength to resist...yet, when resistance fails, then forgiveness must prevail...or at least it should

  10. i think running away from a temptation IS a victory over it.

    if you believe the bible, it says we will never be tempted beyond what we can stand. most of the time when we say "i couldn't stand it, i had to give in," we're being overdramatic. doesnt matter how much you're attracted to your boyfriend, there's always a moment where you decide to indulge or abstain.

    but since everyone sins, we all indulge temptations at some point. there's no shame in being virtuous and then stumbling. so anyway, YES, there is a theoretical person who could always choose abstain over indulge, but i think the few who would come close to that religious ideal would be big targets. all temptation comes from satan, and satan wants to see everyone stumble, so he would send very difficult and confusing temptations to those few.

  11. I don't think ANY religious people are "virtuous" by way of their "religiousness..."

    I've met Atheists, Agnostics, AND religious people who are "virtuous" by their consistent "overall good character & kind actions" towards people...

    I don't care if a person is religious or not...what seems obvious to me (but not so obvious to others) is that what makes a person "virtuous" is their "willingness" to "acknowledge" what various "past temptations" they have succumbed to...and are "still willing" to succumb to...

    But to me, "temptations" are simply "Built-In DNA" urges all of us humans have from time to time by "virtue" of our "evolutionary savage past," which shows us that although we think we are "above" animalistic urges by "virtue" of our superior brain intelligence, we are actually NOT above those things, and we are still (despite our longing to want to separate ourselves from the rest of the "mammalian animal kingdom) essentially "animals," albeit...superior "thinking" ones...

    We are the most intelliegent "animal" on the planet, that is true, but we are still essentially...

    Animals...

  12. Not yet....

    Perfection comes only at the end.

    People  have to begin otherwise we will be dirty by the many ideas of the modern world.

    we are tempted because we have emotions of lively feelings.

    Saints are simple and they know the root cause of Karma.

    " There is only one in thousand will know the minds' work"

    " There is only one in lacs will know the works of GOD"

    " There is only one in CRORE will know the works of GURU"

    "You can not see anyone who guides our KARMA"

    All saints see the mother's love in every living being or SOUL.

  13. Virtue in religious people is like marmalade the less you have the wider you have to spread it.

  14. The majority....no.  I've seen plenty of people walk out of church and go do things that could hardly be called virtuous.  Those are the hypocrites....nothing worse than a hypocrite.

    I know religious people and non-religious people....who are all good people.  I've also run into some of each that are pretty bad people.

    Personally, I believe in God, but I also believe in 'live and let live'.  Most people try to do the right thing, whether or not they attend church.

  15. Virtue cannot be corrupted.

    Doubt can only come after belief.

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