Do you think woman's equality is a joke?

Question

I don't think men will ever see women as their equal especially since men do all the asking in relationships, all the paying for dinners, buy all the gifts (no 50/50 exists). This is why women will always be viewed as children in relationships needing a big strong man to wine and dine them a.k.a feed them.(although they should be wining and dining each other). I don't think workplace equality can be achieved if societal equality isn't? What do you think? I think women in Scandinavian countries, Germany, Belgium can be considered equals. North America no?

Answer 1

In my relationship my partner and I go 50/50. So no I don't think women's equality is a joke.

Answer 2

your 'logic' is so typically redundant, it's boring.  get your 'brain' out of your wallet because equality has nothing to do with who pays for the dinner.  "...needing a strong man to wine and dine them..."?  How exactly does strength play into that statement?  You're actually entertaining... thanx for the yuck!

what do I think?  I think you're about 12 and shouldn't be playing with the grown ups.

Answer 3

Definitely not.

Women are getting more and more competent to men in various aspects, even in working places or academic. Men and women are two different substances that complement to each other and they both have different rules to play, even in a relationship.

Each of them have to contribute something in a relationship. Paying for their meals can be a way of expressing your love towards your partner. I believe that women have their own ways in showing their love as well.

There is no rules or regulations stated that " Men should wine and dine women ".But most of the time it's the pride-driven men who want to show their " gentlemen" characteristics in front of their date. You can go Dutch if you want.

Answer 4

'Womans equality', yes it's a joke, some women will always think they are better than other women and no one will ever bother to challenege it as a wide issue.

Gender equality however is not a joke, it makes sense and is the way forward.

As for who should pay for a date, depends on the individuals on the date. If one gets offended by the other for offereing to pay then they should move on, simple.

Answer 5

I don’t think you understand the dating game. For the longest time in history, it’s been considered courteous of a gentleman to pick up the tab at a restaurant. And it’s believed that a gentleman is supposed to introduce himself to a woman of interest and ask her out on a date. Men who where raised with manners understand this, because that the way their mothers taught them to be.  Now days the game has changed, women do! now pay for half of the tab (if not pick it up), they do by gifts and ask men out on dates. The only problem with this is, if she does this she’s considered to be to manly or is trying to assume the roles that are traditionally held by men. Thus the spawning the term “cougar” for older  and confident women.

It’s just sad that you can’t grasp the concept of the meaning behind the word woman. “Woman” an adult female person; the nature, characteristics, or feelings often attributed to women; womanliness

“Be one's own woman, (of females) to be free from restrictions, control, or dictatorial influence; be independent.”

I just thought I would throw that in there. Women’s equality is really equality for people. For women are people. They are the end result of a child (a little girl) that has reached adulthood and is now (hopefully the women you chose) a productive member of society. Meaning they hold positions of employment in an occupation, they bring forward the creation of life, they PAY BILLS! (ladies I know most of us do), We’re of legal age to be classified (or persecuted) as an adult by the courts of law, We can know assume ownership over property, sign a mortgage, and lease or purchase a vehicle. After the age of 18 we’re legally able to perform all the duties, and hold all the responsibilities of a man. And we should (and will be) respected as our male counterparts.

There are women out there who “wine and dine” their men. But those who really deserve it get it. Or, those who’re players of women get it as well (and then some). I buy my boyfriend dinner, when I see something with his favorite sports team on it, I get it for him. Because he does the same for me. And we don’t even have to ask one another for it, It just happens; because we have a mutual respect and love for one another. He doesn’t measure my worth based on what things I buy for him, and I don’t do that to him.  He respects me as his girlfriend (his woman) and possibly his future wife.  

Now, I don’t know how women in Scandinavian countries, Germany, or Belgium treat their women. But I know here in the U.S. some of our men (mainly the one’s in here) have a hard time grasping and understanding the fact that respect is a two way street. You have to give it in order to receive it. NO one (man or woman) is going to give you the respect or service you feel you deserve if you don’t render that same respect unto others.

And if you’re being gullible and paying for every date that you engage in with a woman, then you can’t blame that on all women. You blame that on yourself. Because an independent woman will offer to pay half of the tab either up front, or at the signing of the final bill. An independent woman doesn’t need a man to wine, dine, take care and feed her; because she does that for herself (you can’t do anything for her that she’s not already doing on her own). And I think it’s safe for me to say that you’re the guy that pays for everything in hopes of getting lucky.

Answer 6

yes they get paid more they get laid more and theyre still pains in the backsides (men i mean) soz guys thats just my opinion

Answer 7

I've dated men who have gotten extremely upset, and offended when I offered to pay my way. Not all of them of course, but a lot of them. Why is this?

Answer 8

Lets put it this way, when a girl acidentally touches a man in Singapore, it is fine. But when is the other way round, the guy must pray hard the lady is easy or.....

Answer 9

sounds to me like u live in a red state

move to a lib area..you will probably see the changes u wish to see

Answer 10

Men might still pay for dinner on the first date, but when you're in a real relationship a couple always has to find the balance of give and take, though this isn't always acheived, you can't seriously think a woman doesn't give anything in a relationship?

Even in a traditional household where the husband works and pays the bills, the wife is often working just as hard raising the kids, shopping, cleaning, cooking, sewing and gardening. The husband wouldn't be able to have a family and yet be successful at work without his wife doing all of this so her role is equally important as his.

Now in today's world most women work and many families choose not to have kids at all. As women far outnumber male university graduates, a lot of women make more than their husbands. Yes, these women might still get their first date dinner paid for, but when the couple moves in together, the one with the bigger bank account (often the woman) will be the one putting the down payment on the house, buying the car, furniture, vacations etc.

But that's just talking about the financial situation, which doesn't really create a person's equality when we;'re talking about worth. Men need to see women as equals because they are as equally human and have equal rights for dignity, rights and respect. Would you say black men are worth less than white men because they generally have less money and property? Well if you did you're a rasist, but more people have learned to look at all people as equals without putting limits on it like who pays for one dinner.

Answer 11

North America, yes, as soon as enough women stand up to say that this is all a crock.

Answer 12

Frankly, yes.... As in "perpetual dream" is more like it..

Answer 13

"I don't think men will ever see women as their equal especially since men do all the asking in relationships, all the paying for dinners, buy all the gifts (no 50/50 exists)."

What a narrow little world you live in. Some day, when you grow up, you'll be willing to come out of your little box and realize you know nothing.

Answer 14

I think alot of men are whiners.  You still expect the women do all or most of the cooking, cleaning, and childcare.

Answer 15

I'm assuming all of the "dates" you've been on required cash up front.

Answer 16

and yet all men don't do all the asking in relationships, all the paying for dinners, buy all the gifts, wining and dining etc.

yawn

Answer 17

I'm not convinced by your assumptions. Sure, it is true that if the men do all the asking, buying, dating, driving, etc etc etc... then there is imbalance.

But is every relationship based on a man doing the asking and the woman passively accepting? Excuse the personal reference but I know plenty of women who are assertive enough in relationships to do as much asking as their men, and so forth.

There are other things to consider. If the men do all the work and leave the women at home... what do they do?

I highly doubt they watch reruns of Oprah forever. I'm fairly certain, in fact, that a lot of men assume their women will do the cooking, washing up, cleaning, laundry, ironing, child rearing... does any of that factor into your argument?

I do not wish to attack you personally - I have no knowledge of your personal situation or your social environment. In fact, it is entirely possible that your local area has a culture where women are encouraged to be as passive and, dare I say it, weak, as possible.

It could be an American cultural phenomenon - after all, America is considered here in Australia to be the source and centre of a majority of the West's social problems, from pornography and the drug culture through to the development of poor social skills in the younger generations - social skills, I should point out, that can be absolutely necessary for a woman to understand that she has the right and power to be assertive in her pursuit of a relationship.

Women's equality can be a joke, most certainly - but where and when it is, I am not laughing.

The worst effect of the development of women's rights is that it is too easily abused or misconstrued to mean things it should not. Men are often left feeling pushed aside to make room for women where such is not necessary; women are pushed to feel that they are a failure for enjoying those things that only a woman can experience. Nobody wins.

I guess I've diverged a fair way from the issue at hand, which is: why do women want to be equal, yet expect men to pay?

Well, there's no easy answer. Motivation will differ from woman to woman and man to man. There are too many factors that confuse the issue, from the custom of women being housewives and men being the breadwinners through to this:

When a man asks a woman on a date, he typically pays. That is because the woman is usually unsure of her attraction to the man, but it is evident that the man is attracted to the woman (at least, enough to ask her out). To be blunt, the man pays the cost of the woman's time that she is spending finding out if the man is worth further time.

But down the track, when people are in a relationship, money becomes a matter of source. If the man has more *disposable* income from his job than the woman (disposable being the money left over after that delegated for bills), then he should spend the lion's share of the money on dates. It's only fair.

But, that works both ways. If women earnt more than men, they should pay the majority - they would have more to spare.

Why isn't this the case? Because men are typically placed in the role of breadwinner, money earner.

So maybe financial equality in relationships will only occur when men and women earn the same... or when men refuse to spend their money on a date unless the share is equitable.

You can always ask.

Answer 18

You cannot suck and blow at the same time.  

You cannot go around demanding equality of rights....but shirk equality of responsibility!

Answer 19

Women's Lib really ruined it... and created a lot of misogynists and disgruntled women unfortunately.  Men and women are equals in value and dignity, but we are different from each other in many ways.  

There is nothing wrong with wining and dining us in the beginning of a relationship; this tells us that you think we are worth your time and investment, and not just looking for a booty call.  After the relationship progresses, there is nothing wrong with going dutch, and as you said, "wining and dining each other."  

I think we can still be considered equal in society even though men generally are the pursuers in the beginning of a relationship.  It's a double standard, but not a bad one.  If we pursued you first, it would appear we were "loose."  When you pursue us, it appears you are "a man."

Answer 20

If women want to be equal to men then they have very low ambitions. Joking asside, what you give as an example is what YOU and probably your friends think. In the 2000's most people aren't like this.

I feel sorry for you tht you have an inferiority complex and feel the need to try and believe that women aren't equal but that really is your problem. We are living in the real world and are confident that we have completel equaluty.

EDIT: Yeah I agree with Sam. If you are doing all teh running around asking and paying then you dear are being teh submissive one.

Answer 21

Men and women are equal though not the same.  As with every species in the animal world, it is up to the male of the species to seduce his intended.  After all the end result of a successful relationship is marriage and children.  Pregnancy, labor and delivery are not a walk in the park so women need to choose their partners carefully.  By seeing who is going to treat them well, respect them and their needs and be a partner in the relationship, a woman will be able to best judge the father of her child and the partner in her life.

As for economics, once a relationship has been established there is no reason for the partners not to treat each other equally.  However because of financial realities, a man will usually outearn a woman.

Finally it is very unpleasant for adult women to be called children when their "duties" in a relationship will often be to cook, clean and take care of their partner.  I worked up to my delivery day.  I know most successful women return to work within days of giving birth.  Now that's macho!

Answer 22

Yes i totally agree with you on this one.

Answer 23

Not really a joke. Aren't jokes supposed to be funny? You can pay for someone's dinner without thinking them beneath you (which is really what you should be thinking if you are on a date with someone).

Don't confuse equality under law with equal behaviour, thoughts, desires and physical attributes.

Answer 24

Did you ever think men do all that out of respect and honor  or maybe to make her smile??? Why does that make them less a man or her less an equal?? I buy my man "gifts" to make him feel good and get better s*x!!! LOL Stuff like that shows you care!! I think maybe you missed what the meaning of RESPECT is!!