Do you win if you hit the 8ball in on the break?

Question

I was playing 8ball and I broke, and the 8ball went into a pocket. Is this an automatic win or an automatic loss or what?

Answer 1

If you're playing on a regular table, I think everyone should use BCA (aka World Standardized) rules most of the time. They state that if they 8 is pocketed on the break, the breaker has the option of spotting the 8 ball and playing on, or re-racking and breaking again. It is not a win or loss.

If you're playing on a bar table, the only reasonable thing to do is call it a win since you cannot take the 8 ball out without putting more money in.

If you play in a league, you should use whatever their rule is, but in most leagues it is a win since they play on bar tables.

Have fun.

Answer 2

you win

Answer 3

Depends   on   where   you   are   at.    In   some   tournaments   the   8   ball    spots     and   the   game   continues.     Some   places   if   you   make   it   you   win.   Personally   I   think   if    you   make   it   on   break   you   should    win    but   that   is    just   me.

Answer 4

Depends on the league, tournament or house rules that you are playing. It is a win in APA unless you make the 8 and scratch. This would be a loss. The BCA rule has been answered nicely.

Answer 5

You win the game. "House" rules are usually used in some neighborhood bar. The APA (Amateur Pool Players Association) awards the game to a shooter for an 8 on the break provided it was a legal break and the cue ball did not scratch.

A comment about the BCA "standardized" rules. I would have to  ask someone if the were talking about the BCA or the BCA and they probably wouldn't know the difference.

The BCA pool league is just a pool league that took its name from the BCA (Billiards Congress of America) and they are NOT one in the same organization. The latter is a group of people that promote pool across the country and around the world, and more specifically, tries to persuade amateur and pro players to use a "genuinely" standard set of rules.

The APA has over 250,000 members in the United States, Canada, and now Japan, which makes it an international organization and their count is based on annual membership renewals.

The BCA pool league can't provide an accurate membership count because they count members that have joined since day one of the league. A player may have joined the BCA in 1985 and played for a month and then never picked up a pool cue again. I would hardly count that as an "active" member. Add to that the fact that you can play in BCA sanctioned league in one town, another sanctioned league in the same town on a different night, and yet again a third day of the week. You pay your (I'll use $10.00) membership to each organization and the BCA recognizes three different members. That's like seeing a c**k roach on the floor in a hotel, just ONE. Then 100 other people see it and now there's a 101 c**k roaches. It just ain't so. There would still be just one roach and there should just be one pool player that plays three nights a week.

What few people realize or even know about the BCA (not the league) is that one of the members of the board is an APA officer at their home office. I don't want to misquote but I believe she is the treasurer or a vice president. At any rate, that is just one member of the BCA council that tries to standardize the game by way of rules.

This will lead into a heated debate but most BCA pool league players I talk to detest the APA because of the handicap system. Don't start throwing stones at me until you're done reading the but the APA handicap system is by and large the most comprehensive handicap system there is. It's as accurate as a system can be after 25 years of tests and trials.

I'll tell you which BCA players detests the system the most. It's a former APA player that moved to a SL7 and they just can't get past the idea they have to give some much weight now to the lower skill level players. So they go to the BCA and talk trash about the APA, the lower skill level players there here it, they talk trash about the APA handicap system because they heard it from a SL7 and figure they HAVE to know everything, and the snowball just keeps getting bigger and bigger and BIGGER. I have a fairly impressive resume with the APA as a pool player and I'm here to tell you that anybody that says the APA handicap system is strictly based on "winning and innings" is full of horse dooky and IT JUST AIN'T SO!

To add insult to injury to the APA, nobody ever talks about "other" handicap systems. The BCA has one that is easy to manipulate beyond words. Golf has one. Bowling has one. Pick another sport and they have one too. So before you start blasting ANY handicap system, make sure you know and understand how it works, and not just assume something about it because some disgruntled APA player said so.

One last thing about a pool league being "standardized", in particular, the BCA. Did you know virtually anybody can start a BCA pool league and call themselves a league operator? Did you know that you could use any format you wanted to play? You could even use the APA format AND their rules AND you could even use THEIR handicap system to rate the players. You could use any other league rules and handicap system for that matter. So how "standardized" is THAT for the BCA?

I said all that to say this. If you're a novice or mid range skill leveled player, no matter what league you play in, "shut up and shoot and have a good time". Do your part by playing your best and the handicap system will do it's part.

If you're a higher or high skill leveled player, no matter what league YOU play in, "shut up and shoot and have a good time too". Do your part by playing YOUR best and the handicap system will do it's part.

Let's promote the game by griping and whining LESS and start spending more time sharing our knowledge and expertise of the game with the players that are coming up.That will go a looooooooong way toward standardizing the game!

Answer 6

Your a WINNER

Answer 7

Depends on the house rules.

On non  coin operated tables you might be required to re spot the 8 ball.