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Does God having a son really mean He fathered a child ?

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rndyh77: I submit to you that He does not speak plainly !!!

Only those who are truly His will understand !

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  1. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1,14). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, "The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.'" In Bible times, the phrase “son of man” was used to describe a human being. The son of a man is a man.

    Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of how we think of a father and a son. God did not get married and have a son


  2. God calls Jesus His Son..............because Jesus belongs to Him, He  is part of Him.............not because he fathered Him through human intervention.

  3. The Bible, even the "coveted" KJV, says that Jesus is the "only- begotten" son of God. The word "begotten" does, in fact, mean that Jesus was progenerated and thus, has a beginning. The only thing left to do now is follow the lead of "Follower of ICXC" and try to argue the definition of "beget". I prefer to take it at face value, especially when Colossians 1:15 so straightforwardly backs it up!

  4. Yes and No. The relationship between God the Father and God the Son is likened to that of a Human father and Human son, but Jesus was not fathered in the sence of being raised, nor fathered in the sence of being created, for the son is co-equal with the father, and is uncreated.

    The Son's begetting is not an event in time, as Arius so incorrectly taught, but Jesus' begetting refers to his eternal relationship with the Father.

    Regarding Colossians 1:15, Chuck Russel has misunderstood that verse without fully understanding what it means. To show you what it means, you show really read what the fathers of the Church said regarding the matter. Here is an excerpt from St. John Chrysostom's Third Homily to the Collossians regarding this verse (Avalible to read for free at: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/230303.... ):

    "The Firstborn of all creation. What then, says one, Lo, He is a creature. Whence? tell me. Because he said 'Firstborn.' However, he said not first created, but firstborn. Then it is reasonable that he should be called many things. For he must also be called a brother in all things. (Heb. ii. 17.) And we must take from Him His being Creator; and insist that neither in dignity nor in any other thing is He superior to us? And who that has understanding would say this? For the word firstborn is not expressive of dignity and honor, nor of anything else, but of time only. What does the firstborn signify? That he is created, is the answer. Well. If then this be so, it has also kindred expressions. But otherwise the firstborn is of the same essence with those of whom he is firstborn. Therefore he will be the firstborn son of all things— for it said of every creature; therefore of stones also, and of me, is God the Word firstborn. But again, of what, tell me, are the words firstborn from the dead (Col. 1:18; Romans 8:29.) declaratory? Not that He first rose; for he said not simply, of the dead, but firstborn from the dead, nor yet, that He died first, but that He rose the firstborn from the dead. So that they declare nothing else than this, that He is the Firstfruits of the Resurrection."

    IF you don't understand what he's getting at, he's saying that Christ is called the 'firstborn' rather than first created. he then goes on to say that firstborn means he is the firstborn of me, and the firstborn of you, for he is the firstborn and is of all creation. John Chrysostom then says that he is also called the firstborn of the dead, not because he was the first one to die, nor the first one to be ressurrected, but because he is the firstborn and he is of all the dead.

    About the word begotten, it means to father, and it refers to the relationshiop of God the Father, and God the Son as father and son. Just because they have the relationship as father and son, doesn't mean the son was created, because, after all, he is "the first and the last, the beginning and the end." (Rev 1.17)

  5. Both Mary and Joseph were the orgins of jesus ,He was born into this world just as any one else.The divinity of the man Jesus was over rated and has no place as a fact reality

  6. Yes. A Father in Heaven wouldn't tell us someone was his son and then confuse the issue by allowing others to spin it in some way that suits their man made definition of what God is.

    If we have a Father in Heaven, he speaks to us plainly and sensibly.

  7. No. Jesus is not God's Son in parental means.  

  8. The pre incarnate eternal Jesus no, but the incarnate Jesus, yes... He does not have a human father.

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