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Does anyone else think global warming is a hoax or scam?

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I've been doing some reading on this and the evidence seems to be building that global warming is actually mostly due to the sun increasing its output! After all, its also getting warmer on Mars, where there are NO people or carbon emissions! Explain THAT, environmentalist wackos!

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  1. I think global warming is the next Y2K: a lot of panic over nothing. Temperature fluctuations over the course of time are perfectly normal. There is nothing we piddly little humans can do to make the temperature of the earth rise significantly. I think for some it is a scam/hoax (Al Gore), but others are genuine in their concern.

    You know, I really hate Gore. He flies around the world in his private jet spewing out more pollution in a single flight than the rest of us spew out in ten years. He has a gigantic house that is NOT very green. And he wants to tell us that we're destroying the planet with our d**n incandescent light bulbs! He makes my stomach churn. He's the biggest hypocritical phony I've ever seen!

    Okay, sorry for the rant. I feel better now.


  2. A wacko is defined as someone who is wacky: absurdly or amusingly eccentric or irrational.  How absurd is it to be concerned about the current and future well-being of our planet?  That sounds pretty rational to me.  You may not agree with the research, the models, decades worth of baseline data.  You may not agree with the vast majority of climate scientists, or the nations who are working collectively and individually to shape solutions.  You may not agree with the thousands of students at prestigious institutions of higher learning who have chosen careers they feel will allow them to become part of the solution.

    That's your right.

    It's my right to do my own reading and research.  It's my right to want my children and grandchild to have a promising future, and to do anything in my power to make that possible.

    I'm not going to try to paraphrase the work of people who've devoted their lives to working in fields relating to global climate change.  I'll include a handful of the sites I've found  for you to investigate, unless you relish the name-calling and prefer to live life with rose-colored glasses.  Me, I prefer to err on the side of caution, to live AS IF global warming is real, because if it is, and we've been sitting on our thumbs, we're going to feel just awful, don't you think?

  3. Only reasonable people would believe that.

  4. Thank god, not everyone is brain washed by the government.

    Totally agree, the Government is trying to extort money out of us. To make it look legitimate, it is called going "green"

  5. Absolutely, all the above.

  6. Wow, you have been doing some 'reading,' huh?  Well I will certainly take your word over EVERY LEGITIMATE CLIMATOLOGIST IN THE WORLD.  Because your clearly so smart and well read.  Even despite ignoring all of the legitimate research, and not  even attempting to refute it, you make a strong case..

    Thanks for setting us straight!

  7. I totally agree with you, its just another way governments can tax us and for entrepenuers to make money

  8. Really? I havn't heard anything about the sun increasing its output. All of the theories I have heard say that poisonous gas from greenhouses and other human-brought pollutions are destroying the ozone layer, making more ultraviolet rays come to Earth. You may have read that and mistaked it for saying the ultraviolet rays are increasing, or maybe not. I havn't heard anything about Mars, either.

  9. Michaela W you obviously have no knowledge of the ozone depletion, because it is widely accepted science that the hole in ozone was caused by CFC's(chlorofluorocarbons) and once this was realized by the world the Montreal Protocol was designed. It was an international treaty designed to protect the ozone by preventing the production of products with CFC's in them. That is why if you look on most spray cans there will be something saying no CFC's

  10. Yea I think it's all just stupid.

    The hole in the ozone has probably been there since before we could ever tell it was.

    People just need stuff to flip out about.

  11. Nope, you're incorrect.  It's not possible for global warming to be a hoax or scam.  See Myth #6 here:

    http://greenhome.huddler.com/wiki/global...

    Solar output has not increased over the past 30 years, during which time global temperatures have increased more than 0.5 degrees Celsius.  See here:

    http://greenhome.huddler.com/wiki/global...

    As for Mars, see Myth #4 here:

    http://greenhome.huddler.com/wiki/global...

    It's easy to come up with wild conspiracy theories and call other people whackos, but once you look at the scientific evidence, the conspiracy theories always fall apart.

  12. scam 100# all the way

  13. Biggest hoax of the 21 century.

    Also note that the sun has been very inactive in recent months. Anyone else notice cooler weather in their area?

    http://planetdaily.ws/index.php/more/77/

  14. but the sun is not increasing solar output so how could this be?

    did you also know that there are more planets then mars on the solar system? and what do you think they are doing warming or cooling or staying the same?

  15. You are correct, there is mounting evidence that global warming may be a natural phenomenon and not due to any sort of Greenhouse Effect.  As you say, Mars is getting warmer  but it doesn't stop there.  Almost every planet in our solar system is displaying evidence of a warming trend.  Check the links I provide for more information.  They only scratch the surface.

    I wouldn't go so far as to say it is a "hoax" or "scam".  These words imply there is some sort of malice behind it.  It is simply a meme that has gotten out of hand and taken on a life of its own.  People accept it simply because they have heard it so many times it must be true.  It has also become a political platform.  In some ways this is a positive because it shows an increasing level of concern about the environment in the general populace.  The negative is that it is verging on mob mentality and not rational thought.

  16. It is a hoax and a scare tactic to tax citizens and hurt oil companies.  The premise to this hoax is a good one, clean up the environment and develop alternative fuels, but I am not going to buy into this c**p.  The alarmists want to be part of some emotional argument to feel like they are part of something that is going to win, I guess they never won anything in their lives.  So they support this notion so blindly that they will not accept any idea or FACT that goes against their argument.

    Simple solution, the base period for the "ideal" global temperature is from 1951-1980.  During this time, the global temperature was rather cool.  So when you see these charts the alarmists display, remember that when there is a 0.55 degree standard deviation from the "ideal" temperature, it is cherry picking the data.  They developed this "ideal" temperature after the infamous Mann Hockey Stick graph came out which made claim that the Medival Warm Period was much colder than it actually was.  Well, any geologist will tell you that it was a few degrees warmer than it is today.  So in reality, what is wrong with the planet going back to what would seem like it's normal temperature?  Most geolists and legitimate climate scientists will say that the climate has had drastic swings of temperatures before and many of them were by 6 degrees in as little as a decade.  It is also funny to listen to these alarmists try to explain why the troposphere is not correlating with the land temperature.  It is called the heat island effect.  More concrete and asphalt, the warmer the surface will be.  These reflect the sunlight and generally keep the heat within a few feet of the surface.  That is why the land temperature is a little warmer while the troposphere is normal.

    Anything cited from realclimate.org is generally wrong and their little "wiki project" should prove that wiki is not acceptable either (as if you didn't know that already).  Tamino is a site ran by some person that doesn't list any credentials.  Plus all of the charts on that site are given by NASA and we know what side Hansen is on.  Scientists were claiming a new ice age during the 70's, but changed their minds when it started warming up and now blame the hysteria on the media.  Also, most of these environmental scientists (I still question their credentials) know how chemicals interact with the environment.  On paper it seems like they are smart, but they are trained to believe everything hurts the environment.  Plus most of these people are low-level and only do tests to see how chemicals interact with local water and land.  That doesn't qualify them to speak on climate.

    Hopefully this nonsense will be over with before any taxes are implemented.  Because there will be major consequenses for this nonsense.  The arrogance of these alarmists will be the downfall of society.

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