Does the Australian military think they are awsone?

Question

Look i am Australian true and bold but recently i think many of us think they are so important in the world. Particulary after them saying the will send Specialist to Pakistan without even telling any Pakistani officals.

Now any the paks have one 4/5 wars against India and have a gun military, there parlimentry soliders may be c**p but the rest are coll like the SSG and the main infantry, They habve AMerican toys and jets that can hover and Abrahams ( which Auss does not i wish they did) so i believe thay can deal with there trouble spots but they do not have the political strenth to do it. So any way i think the Paks should offended considering Austrlai thinks by going to afghan and Iraq and should dude with 70 year old tanks they have become experts.

Also the paks have got some regions under control and they stopped when the public got peeded off.

Our SAS is awsome but still i reckon we Aussies think we are too good, what do you think

Answer 1

Spell check is there for a reason bro. I can understand what you mean, but it's a bit hard to follow sometimes.

We have a detachment of Aussies where I'm deployed(somewhere in the ME) and we get along fine. I've never seen them act "holier than thou" toward anyone. Sometimes they can get a bit snooty when it comes to certain things(mainly beer and rugby) but we keep 'em in check by handing them thier a$$es regularly in intermural sports!!!

Overall though I'd say they're a great group of lads.

P.S. they also have some of the best looking women on base! Y'all raise 'em fine as he11 down there!

Answer 2

Beach Boy, dont lust after the Abrams, your tankies have Leopards ( a german main battle tank) its very very good, us Brits would have had a Leopard anyday over the Abrams,

and now Im waiting for the yanks to get shirty about that hahaha

Answer 3

Honestly, I never support the military. But our army is pretty small though

Answer 4

I'm confused by your question.  Professional soldiers don't go around swinging their cods, bragging about how much better they are than the other guy - except, of course, when they're good and drunk.  

Oh, never mind, I see your point. :-)   (Just kidding, Aussies.)

Seriously, you seem to be confusing Australia's offer to send advisors to Pakistan with an imminent invasion.   Why?   Considering that Labour have just won the last elections in Australia, the first thing Australians can expect is a lowering of their country's overseas military deployments.

And it's a mistake to confuse what professional soldiers say to civilians with what they say to each other.  Bragging doesn't show up on national security estimates, which is what national decision-makers rely on when sending troops in harm's way.

That being said, Australia would probably win a short, shock-and-awe offensive which makes best use of fuel-air explosives and EMP bombs to neutralize Pakistan's command and control net and their air defense artillery radars.   The longer the fight drags out, the more likely that Australia would have to call on help from the US and Commonwealth troops to replace men and equipment lost in battle.

Pakistan's Order of Battle for military aviation is more modest and unassuming than you give them credit for.  Specifically, which Pakistani jets can hover?  They didn't get Harriers from the US, that's for sure, and they don't list them in their public OB.

The PAF finally got all the F-16s they were supposed to before sanctions were imposed for giving half of  Asia nuclear weapons technology, but most of their new aircraft are Chinese designs of unknown capability versus the Northrop/Grumman F/A-18.  

A good man in an F-16 can whack a good man in an F/A-18, everything being equal, but it's debatable that the Royal Australian Air Force trains its pilots to a higher standard.  Since the RAAF still deploys the F-111A for close air support, that could free up most of their F/A-18s for combat air patrol.

When the RAAF and RAN get the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter in a few years, they will have the best jet aircraft in the Southern Hemisphere, bar none (and the Close Air Support and Naval variants of the F-35 can hover better than Harriers can while carrying a larger bomb load and are stealthy, which Harriers aren't, comparatively speaking).

The Pakistani Army is first rate and no pushover, but may have suffered somewhat due to internal tensions over military action in the northern tribal areas, terrorist actions against the army, grassroots preaching against the central government, and rising state-sponsored persecution of its Ahmaddiya religious minority, which historically has been disproportionately represented in the Pakistani officer corps (at least two successful large unit commanders in the mid-1960s warfare against India were Ahmaddiyas).  

The Pakistani Army can surely out-number the Australian Army, but the Australians have proven their mettle in Iraq and Afghanistan - given a choice, I'd rather ship with the side that has had recent protracted combat experience in a highly demanding theater, a comparison that favors the Australian Army - especially in short, hard fights of the sort that all professional soldiers prefer.

As far as your concerns over tanks, the Royal Australian Army uses German-made Leopard tanks - which are probably a close second to the US Abrams M-1 main battle tank in survivability, maneuverability and firepower and better than the Abrams in fuel economy and transportability.  If the Australians have to go fight overseas with tanks, I'd say they'd be able to give anyone else a run for their money - especially Pakistan.

Many Western armies prefer to use Leopards and get more tank for their money compared to the gas-turbine powered, fuel-thirsty, maintenance-intensive Abrams.  Such things are classified, but armor upgrades are probably available from the manufacturer to give Australia Forces' Leopards roughly the same armor protection as the Abrams with its rolled steel, ceramic and depleted uranium laminate armor plate (which pushes the tank's weight up over 70 tons, which many consider excessive).

By comparison, the Pakistani army does not have Abrams main battle tanks; it does have a variety of domestically-produced Chinese-design tanks, and got 320 T-80s (a very good former Soviet main battle tank) from a Ukrainian factory.  Its most numerous tank type, however, is the Chinese version of the T-54, now being produced in Pakistan, and no match for either the Australian Army's Leopards or US Army Abrams.