Does this look like a standing kimura? (Fight scene from Kill Bill anime)?

Question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URNEy3zT9kk

O-ren's father's fight at 0:25.

When does someone use a standing kimura, and what's the pro and cons?

Answer 1

I didn't look at the vid, but the only reason for even trying a standing kimura is to defend against the takedown. If they persist and it ends up on the ground the person applying said submission just has to close guard and the sub is complete.

Answer 2

he broke the arm straight but it wasn't drawn properly...the pros and cons of it are the same argument as aikido and jujitsu

Answer 3

Wow! They deserved that! Anyway the key lock is cool to disarm knife and break someones shoulder! It's also called a double wrist hold in catch wrestling I believe! This link should tell you the pros and cons.

http://gnarlmaster.tripod.com/gnarlmaste...

Answer 4

I'd say it looks like one, but my understanding is the kimura is a shoulder lock, which I didn't see in the anime.  But at the same time.. it's an anime and thereby pretty difficult to actually have a serious technical discussion regarding its fight choreography.

In response to your question though, a using a kimura lock while standing doesn't allow the leverage to properly torque the shoulder.  Standing key locks usually end up on the ground or with your opponent pinned against something in such a way that he cannot rotate to counter to the torque of the lock.

Answer 5

I didn't watch the video, however a standing kimura like any other move has it place and time when it would be great!  ike I tell my students, practice moves over and over in training and find out if it works for you or not.  Then once you got it down it can be stored away for when it is needed.  Much like a carpenter's tool box, he may not use certain tools in his box very often but he has them there for when the situation calls for it.   If you practice putting people in the kimura, especially with them grabbing you from behind you can make it a very effective tool you can dig out of your "tool box" when needed.  A great fight to watch for an example of how a standing kimura can be very effective is the Renzo Gracie vs Sakuraba when Sakuraba broke Gracie's arm with a standing kimura.