Does this one fact disprove the existence of magic/magick?

Question

Any magic could be tested by statistical, observable, or otherwise measurable mediums, and its effectiveness displayed to the public.

Something that has apparently been in existence for so long would absolutely not be so vastly unknown to the public as it is. Unless it was a sham.

There has never been proof of any "magical" happenings.

Answer 1

No. Just as you cannot necessarily prove movement of energy, even through tests or how manipulation of said energy works, no.

Once again, I must point out that from a scientific point of view you cannot prove a negative.

You can't test preon or string theory in a consistent verifiable way either. Does that make these scientific theories invalid?

Answer 2

There is no proof that magic does or dosn't exist personally I believe that is a person balieves in magic they could use it, if not, they can't.

Answer 3

Your basic premise is flawed. You assume that your belief is fact. "Test" infinity.

Answer 4

Clarke's third law:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

A match is magical to a primitive culture - it is not testable using the technology they have availible to them.  Rubbing an ordinary stick against a rough surface will not produce heat and light.

Once a thing is testable and measurable it becomes science.

Magic, by definition, is not science.  It is not testable, perhaps because it is "a sham", but the possibility also exists that it is not testable simply because we do not yet have the means to test it.

Answer 5

i dont care about the fact. common sense says magic doesn't exist

Answer 6

Its known to the public, just not known how people who use magic know it.Many people think you wave a magic wand, say a few rhyming words and BAM you get what you want.But magic used in witchcraft and others is pretty much a holistic science.using certain herbs for certain remedies and such.Or using certain herbs to obtain an outcome.

You are correct in there is no scientific proof in magical happening, just like there is no proof God exists, however it can be turned around and said there is no proof he doesn't exist and there is no proof magic doesn't exist.its all pretty much based on faith and personal experience.

EDIT-I admitted that the herbs used to heal  are  a science,so why did you feel the need to put in everything about chemical reactions and the like?

Answer 7

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there and your definition of magick may differ from other people.

If I wake up and see a doe with her baby on my lawn, or a mother fox playing with her pups just as the sun comes up, that's magick for me.

It's about faith. You believe in something that can't be weighed measured or touched. You just know it's there.

So is macick real? For me yes because I believe

Answer 8

Yes, this alone is adequate. I see a few people radically disagree, but let them try to prove their cases. On second thought, I do not want to hear such drivel as they are certain to utter.

Answer 9

Magical happenings do not necessarily have to be measured by science. If you explain everything that happens in life, you take the wonder out of life, and make it boring. So to claim that magic does not exist, would make life worthless.

Answer 10

Before you can come up with a measurable metric about something and its effectiveness, you have to reach a consensus on what it is you are measuring.  One reason I am so fed up with rationalists is because I agree with very few of the definitions offered by such people of anything.  

Obviously Magic has been in existance for a very long time.  The evidence includes curses on Egyptian tombs and on Roman placards.   During most of this time, there have been often vicious arguments about what it is.

Remember, roughly 1200 years before the Church got serious about burning people at the stake for witchcraft, Augustine was arguing there wasn't any such thing.

Alternatively, Plotinius, a convinced pagan, was a sought after teacher both by Christians, who didn't impress him much, and by gnostics, who he DESPISED.

Occultism tends to be whatever the mainstream rejects.  This has included a heliocentric solar system,  round earth and the Theory of Evolution.  How do you know what you are calling magic or that it IS the same thing as magick?

Shame on you.  Go listen to Alan Stivell and explain why he doesn't exist.