Doesn't this scripture prove that Jesus is not God, but a separate being? John 14:23,24?

Question

Notice the words we and mine.

Answer 1

No. It doesn't.

Answer 2

6 While Jesus was made in the image of his Father in heaven, he never sought to be equal with God, for we read: “Christ Jesus, . . . although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake.” (Phil. 2:5-8) So we see that Jesus Christ himself, fashioned as a perfect man, became obedient to everything that Jehovah God said he should do. Those who want to “become imitators of God” must walk according to the way Jesus walked, for Jesus said: “He that does not love me does not observe my words; and the word that you are hearing is not mine, but belongs to the Father who sent me.” (John 14:24) Jesus was so much like his Father Jehovah God, so much in harmony with His righteous ways and life, that when he spoke, the listener would not be hearing something that Jesus was thinking up of his own imagination. Why? Because the Bible says: “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner. For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these.”—John 5:19, 20.

Want a Good Read? Read Proverbs 8 all of it,  Thats Jesus talking

Answer 3

Go back and read verses 7 and 10 - 11...

7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

Jesus was merely reaffirming that His (Jesus) words come from the Father...they are not merely what Jesus has to say....nor can they contradict the Father. Jesus is the Word of God...the voice of God. the Father and Holy Spirit.  As part of the Triune God, Jesus must speak the words which are in agreement with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Answer 4

We are not to isolate verses and build doctrine on them alone.  We need to compare scripture to scripture and when we do that we find plenty of support for the trinity.

Answer 5

No. This proves that Jesus is God, with two wills--one that is human and one that is divine.

This is why he will sometimes state "Son of Man" to express his humanity and "Son of God" to express his divinity.

When Jesus says "we" He is stating the Trinity (God, the Father; Jesus, the Son; and the Holy Spirit).

By loving Jesus, you must therefore love God as they are three in one. When Jesus says "What I am telling you is from the Father who sent me." This states his humanity and divinity as part of the Trinity.  

Answer 6

NO!!! try again.

Answer 7

All this proves is that you do not have any understanding of God's word

Answer 8

Nope.

We believe in One God, who reveals Himself in three eternally existent Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (the doctrine of the Trinity). The mathematical representation of our belief is 1x1x1=1.

Scripture says that Creation shows many of the attributes of God. This is true of the tri-une nature. Space is made up of three dimensions, length, width, and depth. All three are needed to make space, yet throughout a space you can measure any one of the three dimensions an infinite number of times within that given space, because a line has mathematically no width. Thus we see the infinite nature of each Person of the Godhead, and the unity of the Godhead.

Answer 9

John 14:23 In answer Jesus said to him: “If anyone loves me, he will observe my word, and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make our abode with him. 24 He that does not love me does not observe my words; and the word that YOU are hearing is not mine, but belongs to the Father who sent me.

Thank you, for your very astute question.

Pointing out-we-mine?

Good Job!

Have you anything else?

(I'll bet you do-please share)

Answer 10

Jesus cannot be Almighty God. Imagine for a second the Millions of Angels in heaven looking down on their Creator being slapped, whipped with an Instrument having Bone fragments dangling at the end and then Ultimately Killed? I think Not.

How is it Possible for Satan to Tempt God? Even he is not an Idiot, he said " If you are the SON of God- not if you are God.( Matt 4:3) To make Jesus out to be both Son & God himself is preposterous.The 3 in 1 wont fly either. Jesus said he did not know the Hour- only the father ( Matt 24:36), why did he not know the Hour? What about the Holy Spirit who is Not even Mentioned in this verse, how is it that *he does not know?

Please lets dispense of this " the Trinity is a Mystery" nonsense. Since when is God a God of Confusion? ( 1 Cor 14:33)

Simply Put, One Can Never Die, the other has experienced Death but now Lives forever.

Answer 11

They are one God yet separate beings. Consider what Jesus says in John 10:30 in addition to the verses you mentioned.

Answer 12

If you read any of Matthew Mark Luke and John you will find many scriptures that show Jesus and God are two seperate beings.  God is God Almighty and Jesus is Gods only begotten Son.  

The scriptures also say seek truth and you shall find.   Sounds like your on the right road to learning.

Answer 13

Yes indeed, this scripture along with many others.

Answer 14

The entire Gospel of John, as well as the rest of the New Testament, clearly shows that Jesus is not God.

Throughout the Gospel of John we see Jesus praying to the Father, telling us that the Father is the Only True God (John 17:3), telling us that everything he does is with the Father's authority, not his own, telling us that what he taught was not from himself, but from the Father who sent him, etc., etc.

Throughout the Gospel of John, the Lord Jesus Christ exalts his Father, not himself, and directs us to the Father, not himself, tells us that our true goal is the Father, but through Jesus as the one sent for our salvation.

John 1:1 tells us that Jesus is divine, as the Son of God, but the popular translation, "the Word was God" is not supported by the original Greek, which is qualitative or indefinite, rather than definite in syntax.  

Nowhere in the Gospel of John or the entire New Testament does Jesus say, "I am God."  There was no reason to omit this if it were true.  Jesus would not have had to merely infer or suggest this.  He openly said that he was God's Son.  If he were God, he would have said this openly and fearlessly as well.

"I am" (EGW EIMI) statements do not count as divine revelations, since it was a common expression, and even a formerly blind man, who obviously was not God, said "I am."  (EGW EIMI) -- John 9:9

Reading the whole Bible, and in context, makes it plain that God is One, not three-in-one.

And how is a multiplication formula (1x1x1=1) supposed to explain the unbiblical Trinity?  Does the Trinity teach that God is multiplying himself?

Much verbiage has been wasted in an attempt to support a Trinity doctrine that the Bible nowhere teaches, and everywhere refutes.

Answer 15

Hello

The Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are 3 distinct beings that make up the Godhead.

God is not a "person" with 3 heads He is Spirit.The fact that Jesus says "we" and "our" proves that they are a Godhead.

My family is visiting you WE are visiting and making OUR visit to you.

3 of us ONE family same concept.

Jesus refers to Himself and the Father as WE what do you conclude from that? I think it means that Jesus has authority to speak for the Godhead because He is part of it.  

Answer 16

You JUST asked this.  See my answer there and don't ask the same question multiple times anymore.  It's not exactly kosher according to the rules.

Answer 17

You use the word being.  Do you know the difference between spirit, being, soul, mind?  Which one are you?  You would have to have an intimate knowledge of the holy trinity to understand this.  Rolando, I don't think, since there is such a big emphasis on faith in the bible, that we are supposed to have intimate knowledge of all of God's business.  

  So, to answer the question, NO

Answer 18

(19-24) After His departure, Jesus will only be manifested to hearts that love Him and honor His word.

"A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me."

a. You will know . . . he who loves Me . . . who has My commandments: Trusting, loving and obeying Jesus are all dependent on each other.

b. If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word: If we love Jesus, it will be shown in a genuine love for His word - and not a love that just admires His word, but obeys it - keeps His word.