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Don't you think making batteries out of pig manure is taking "green living" a little too far?

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Don't you think making batteries out of pig manure is taking "green living" a little too far?

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  1. no, better than the materials they use at the moment, packs of smaller batteries in some cases.


  2. Why would it be going to far,when it would be achieving the purpose of going green,and making our world a better place for future generations,sometimes  things seem a little out there,but if it works and it doesn't hurt anything it is great in my book.Achieving an outcome is what is important,no matter how strange,unless wrong intentions are used.

  3. No.

  4. No

  5. hey, its a resource we can use!   We should be finding out how to use everything we possibly can so that we dont need to buy our energy from foreign countries.

  6. Yes, and I think a lot of this "green" stuff is baloney.  In the 60's and 70's we went through the same thing.  It just goes to show you how everything goes in cycles.  (including the warming of the earth)  Mother Earth Magazine was a favorite of the hippies.  We made our gas from corn and did all the weird stuff they are doing today. (those of us that had a place to do it)  Of course there is some new technology out there.  But I think it's just a cycle of life.

  7. Can you think of something better to make out of pig manure?

  8. no, makeup that women and some men (and all actors/preachers on tv) is made from bat guano (manure)

  9. No, on the contrary it's great but just so I'd have appreciated people to not waste food and other resources we consume, it's not the step to be taken when ur running out of resources but a step to be taken to understand the limitations of this planets supply of it.

  10. If they can pull it off why not. Suppose you discovered the art of making batteries out of c**p. Then at some point in your life you get stranded in the desert. All you have to do, is use your own faeces to charge your cell phone, then you could call for help. c**p could save your life Jack. You'd feel like singing on the hills like Julie Andrews, and you'd want to make all the deserts in the world green.

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    Magnus: Do you know that in Brazil, they have a fluorishing industry converting sugar cane (biomass) to ethanol which is used to fuel vehicles? They're actually much closer to gaining the energy independence that Americans so crave, while you guys pay $100 per  barrel of oil and over $3 per gallon of gasolene.

    http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.artic...

    *EDIT*

    Magnus: I agree with you about the corn ethanol. I was never a believer in it. But I do believe that Brazil is a role model for other countries in the sense that they used their natural resources to formulate their own energy economy. The implementation will be different for each country, but I believe the idea is good.

    I'm from Trinidad and Tobago. We produce oil and natural gas. We have 1.5 million people. Yet our government still has to import oil at the current price. Although the US has large reserves of oil in Texas and Alaska, it's not nearly enough to supply the entire country's energy demands. They still have to import the bulk of it.

  11. There is nothing that is "too far" for the greenie-wackos.  The more ridiculous it is, the more clever the greenie-wackos think it is.   They have to be staying up half the night to maintain the current level of their inanity.

  12. Absolutely it is.  That's because being 'green' typically involves misinformed people making decisions on based on bad reasoning.  Making batteries out of pig manure you say?  If you can harness the same amount of power out of that c**p as you can get out of any standard lithium or other chemically based battery, and keep it within a reasonable cost,  I say have at it.  But the fact is, we cannot make this into a viable option.  It's like bio-fuels.  Sounds great in theory, but not only being the first civilization in the history of the world to turn it's food stock into fuel, but doing it inefficiently.  Ethanol actually takes more energy to produce than it yields.  So what's the point?  The point is the politicians and idiots in the media who say it's a great thing are feeding you bad information!  Then they are capitalizing on the fact that you are taking their word as reliable.   People have a tendency to believe what the pop culture says.  And pop culture has been wrong, quite often.  If one chooses to be green, that's their business to do that if they so choose.  But don't try to force it upon me because all it's doing it hiking up the prices for everything else and limiting my choices for other products and services.  And living in a free market is all about choice isn't it?  If you want green to be the new standard, don't force people to use something through law, because they will only resent you.  If being green is legitimately a good idea, the free market will speak for itself when people begin to demand it's products.  If it's an inefficient, inferior product that lacks quality, it will not survive.  That's the nature of a free market.

    EDIT:  Dr. D, if you are advocating American energy independence, I could not agree more.  Above where I said bio fuels, I should have specifically said corn ethanol.  Because as a nation, we are now burning much of our food supply as fuel, we are driving up the cost for other products that require corn such as milk, soap, all because it's the fashionable thing to do right now.  If those making the laws had any common sense here, they'd see that corn ethanol actually yields less energy than it takes to produce making it vastly inferior to standard fossil fuels.  And right now the only reason it is a viable option as a fuel is because the government is subsidizing it so heavily.  And I have read some on the Brazilian sugar cane ethanol, but I am skeptical.  Converting the US infrastructure to accomodate this would be an astronomical undertaking and I cannot imagine what the cost would be.  And it even said in the article you provided that the cost for this ethanol in Brazil was so cheap partly because it was home grown in the right climate with cheap labor.  Plus, the US is a much larger undertaking than Brazil.  In the US, we don't have much of either, so i fear prices would be higher.  Not to say it's not entirely economically feasible, but being that the US still has the infrastructure to cater to oil, and vast reserves in Alaska, I'm advocating using that oil to lessen the dependence on foreign oil.  If it's safe and economical and we have enough there to last a very long time, why not do it?  Basically, I am not opposed to any fuel if it makes sense to use and the market is demanding it.  I'm not even against corn ethanol for what it is, but when we have a fuel in oil that is much better and cheaper without subsidies and politicians and special interests forcing it upon us, why would we use something else that makes everything else that much more expensive?  So if sugar cane ethanol is what the market is demanding because it turns out we can do it for a relatively low cost and is better than gasoline, I'm ok with that. I just adhere to the belief that the United States was founded as a free market and which allows choice for which products can be produced and purchased without unecessary mandates from the government restricting it. So until the market genuinely calls for it, I will remain weary and stick with what will work.

  13. NOT SAY THE  HAM OPERATORS IN THE FIELD.

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