Don't you think the fact that women don't have the strength to beat "malicious men" is reason enough to.....

Question

denounce wife-beating altogether? Islam says it is OK to beat malicious women, in order to fix them. But women can't beat malicious men, ever. It just doesn't add up.

Can point out the flaw in my understanding please? Thanks.

Answer 1

"When the woman (Eve) saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband (Adam), who was with her, and he ate it...Then the man (Adam) and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. But the Lord God called to the man, "Where are you?" He (Adam) answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." And he (God)  said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" The man said, "The woman (Eve) you put here with me-she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." Then the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." To the woman he (God) said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." To Adam he (God) said, "Because you listen to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life."

"...if a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days...but if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks..."  

Leviticus 12:2-5

"I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare." "Look," says the Teacher, "this is what I have discovered: "Adding one thing to another to discover the scheme of things-while I was still searching but not finding- I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all."  

Ecclesiastes 7:26-28

"When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening."  

Leviticus 15:19-23

"Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period."  

Leviticus 18:19

"let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law, and if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for woman to speak in the church."  

1Corinthians 14:34-35

"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head...If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head"  

1 Corrinthians 11:3-6  

"I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God"  

1 Timothy 2:9-10

"After he left Hebron, David took more concubines and wives in Jerusalem, and more sons and daughters were born to him."  

2 Samuel 5:13  

"He (Solomon) had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines..."  

1 Kings 11:3  

"And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah."  

Genesis 4:19  

"If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the first-born son be hers that was hated: then it shall be, when he maketh..."  

Deuteronomy 21:15  

"if he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall her not diminish."  

Exodus 21:10  

"Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living."  

Leviticus 18:18

"...Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."  

Mark 10:11-12

"...who marries the divorced woman commits adultery."  

Matthew 5:32  

"'The woman he (the priest) marries must be a virgin. He must not marry a widow, a divorced woman, or a woman defiled by prostitution, but only a virgin from his own people.'"  

Leviticus 21:13-4

"Then he (Jesus) went down to Nazareth with them(his parents) and was obedient to them..."  

Luke 2:51  

"For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death."  

Mark 7:10  

"Each of you must respect his mother and father..."  

Leviticus 19:3

Answer 2

Well I hope no one gets mad at me saying this, but we are sorta forgetting the whole picture here. Good men can beat bad women. And just saying "bad" isn't good enough for our minds, just imagine a ruthless, evil little witch who doesn't listen to anyone and does BAD stuff and is just BAD. Okay, got the picture? Wouldn't YOU wanna slap some sense into her? I think this is the type of scenerio the qur'an talks about, right? And even if this woman is as horrible as can be, Allah swt still wants the man to talk kindly to her :0 WOW, I personally have known a few evil women, and I soo wanna just throw something at them, of course i don't :) but those women don't really deserve any kindness, but we all know that Allah swt is the most merciful....and same goes with men, but seriously if a man is BAD well obviously do you think he would stand for his wife hitting him? GOSH, he'd throw her on the roof! That would suck......so I think the women is just as good as dead if she tried to raise her hand on a bad man, because chances are he would most likely be able to overpower her...now she can call her brothers up and beat him that way....but this is just getting into a big drama. Any who, unfortunately a lot of people abuse this verse in the qur'an to justify their actions, and obviously that is just wrong and sad, and stupid people need to learn how to use their brains and interpret things correctly b/c I think their IQ is just too low for them to even function properly. Well, that's my story. I didn't mean offense to anyone, I never really thought about this verse, cause I'm not married nor am I an evil witch, so no reason for anyone to want to beat me :) But your parents can hit you if you are bad, so I guess if your siblings took care of you and you did something stupid all the time, they'd wanna slap some sense into you, and i guess husband-wife relationship is also about caring for each other, so if you need a little spanking to wake you up, well just keep in mind that this rule was meant for BAD people. Do you know any bad people? Yah, that's what i thought...

Answer 3

I understand what you are saying, but logic is not part of the equation and it’s not exactly the only problem.

What is difficult to take is how brainwashed the women are. So even if they agreed with you it wouldn’t matter. I know it isn’t their fault. How could they not be one of the best examples of the Stockholm Syndrome when everyone they know is part of it.

Answer 4

Islam does not permit the abuse of women in any form. The Holy Qur'an tells Muslims to "consort with them (their wives) in kindness," and to find qualities in them that are pleasing. This is a common misconception exists in the West that Muslim men are permitted to beat their wives whenever they please. The Holy Qur'an says:

" ...And as for those on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them, and keep away from their beds and chastise them." (4:35)

This verse means that if a wife is seriously disobedient to her husband, he should try and convince her of her fault. If that fails, he should cease to have conjugal relations with her (limited to a period of four months). Only in very extreme circumstances is he allowed to chastise her. Even then, according to the hadith, he may not injure her in any way.

The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) repeatedly emphasized kind treatment of wives, saying:

"To treat a wife tenderly and put a morsel in her mouth is charitable."

And

"The more civil and the kinder is a Muslim to his wife, the more perfect of faith he is; fear Allah with reference to two meek beings, woman and orphans."

See, no one ever quotes these verses.

@asker

here we need to use a litte bit of common sense. Even if women were allowed to physically chastise theirhusbands, what diffrence would it have made. If she slaps him, he could beat her to death, because physically he is more powerfull.  But Allah found a much effective way of chastising men. And that is "separating beds". Any man would bear witness that this is a bigger chastisement for a man rather than being beaten up by women. And women would also bear witness to that, that seperating beds makes men more uncomfortable than it does to women. This is my understanding.

Also women are given the right to seperate from her husband. She can ask for Khulla, if she thinks shecan not live with that man. But its not that easy for a man to divorce his wife, because he has to pay all the dowry back and has to provide for her, whereas the woman has no such obligation. So its a win win situation for women.

Answer 5

okay..............

Answer 6

No, absolutely not. The fact is only applicable to god fearing man and woman. Although it is not mention in the quran, because the quran itself is for man and woman who fear god. If they are not from this category, then the rules of the world are applicable. That is they can sue each other, beat each other, divorce each other and other form of laws that man had created to govern human behavior.

Answer 7

Men choose to beat women bc that is all their pea brains can think of bc if they choose to do this, they are uneducated b******s...Women are smart...we leave them(or most should)...get on with our lives.

But I agree with you, I think wife-beating should be denounced.

Answer 8

well, you could say that hitting never solves anything.

Answer 9

you're not willing to understand.

islams views on "wife beating" do not condone it.

thats taliban s**++!

EDIT: well ok.the book may say that but in a civilised country no muslim i know would ever claim that beating women is acceptable.

and im not Muslim, more like Agnostic but i don't like seeing this kind of 'fire fueling'.

Answer 10

All Religions denegrate and violate women

i cant understand how any woman with even the brain of a size of a peanut can conform to any religion let alone islam

ex muslim girl

Answer 11

How dare you ask this kind of question with a picture of Ron Paul as your avatar!

Take it down now!

Answer 12

u ever heard of martial arts...karate & stuff?  U do not hav 2 be big and strong to hurt sumone...IF NECESSARY!  My daughter's in karate, and she may be small and skinny, but she's GOOD...I HATE it when people think mwomen are weak...u NEVER know how a woman will react when she is in fear of her life, or her child's, u may just be SURPRISED!!!

Answer 13

Well, in those cultures, men rule.  lol whats the difference between them and us.  I was beaten for 6 years by my ex and all the cops ever did was say "we dont get involved in domestic violence".  I dunno, I never understood what it was suppose to do for me.  Yes it beat me down and yes for a while I felt under his control, but I learned and got out.  Women don't need physical strength to beat men like that, they just need male friends and family members with physical strength.

Answer 14

What do you mean "women don't have the strength to beat "malicious men".  I've been in the gym working out lately and I beg to differ!

And no one should hit each other in a marriage.  I don't care who or what says otherwise.

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♥: Pffft, what do you mean 'manly woman'- I am a 100% all natural woman.  I never seen any men look this good where I live, so I have no idea what you mean by 'manly'.

Answer 15

if the husband is a bad muslim then the wife has no reason to be obedient to him. obedience is only for virtuous men who work in the interests of their wife and kids

a man should fear god in his dealings with his wife

Answer 16

Cranky

plz don't think to much about women OK

and plz don't talk about things what u and ur teacher don't know plz

just look plz

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Answer 17

o as a Muslima i'll be happy to point out this flaw...i love ppl like you...sara really loves ppl like you even more than me...she'll side with you while i'll point out this flaw... men are NOT to beat us to a bloody pulp...nor hit us in our face...as i have said many times here on Y!Q&A, more than once today, is they have permission to beat us LIGHTLY THIS MEANS A TAP...MY HUSBAND HAS NEVER BRUISED ME BY THIS TAP! NEVER HIT ME IN MY FACE... and if you think about it...every couple taps each other from time to time...im sure i'll be recieving thumbs down from the ppl like you...because you fear what you don't understand. and if i have a brain the size of a peanut {quoting sara}...that's why im the Muslim and you ask the Q...because you don't understand...

Quraan 4.34

ALI [6]: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all).

"Provide for them, the rich according to his income and the poor according to his means, the provision according to the custom, this is an obligation for those who act kindly" (2:236).

"Treat them politely for even if you dislike them, perhaps you dislike something which God has placed much good" (4:19).

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