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English Union with Hanover Where'd it go?

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Why did England throw those poor Germans out of the UK? Did you just use them untill you found out how to make great beer? When was the Union dissolved? By Whom? Wouldn"t that make the Queen the Ruler of Germany[by default]? Am I confused?

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  1. First of all, the English Parliament never threw "those poor Germans out of the UK."  Physically leaving the principality of Hanover behind in 1714, although there was a personal union established between that principality and the United Kingdom, the Hanovers reigned over both Hanover (on the European continent) as well as England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland as long as there was a male heir to inherit any Hanover title.

    When William IV died in 1837, leaving no male heirs, the nearest living relative available to inherit the British Crown was his niece, Victoria, who became Queen of the United Kingdom at the age of 18.  Salic law, which governed primogeniture in Hanover, however, would only allow a male heir to inherit the Hanoverian throne while British laws of primogeniture allowed a female to succeed as long as there was no male heir. Shortly after Victoria became Queen, she married Prince Albert of Saxe-Coberg Gotha, so the surname of her family (or rather the name of her dynasty) technically changed to Saxe-Coberg Gotha when her son, Edward VII, inherited the throne.  

    Queen Victoria, even though she was born in England, was of German descent as well as were her children and grandchildren who inherited the English throne.  Indeed, the first instance of an actual heir to the English throne marrying a British subject since the time of Henry VIII was in 1923 when Albert Frederick Arthur George (the future George VI) married Lady Elizabeth Bowles-Lyons (the Queen Mum),  who was a Scot.  Of course, Bertie was second in line to succeed to the throne at that time.  Most probably the Royal Family didn't marry British subjects during this time because European royal families up until quite recently married to secure alliances rather than for romantic love.

    Shortly before this on July 17, 1917, the House of Saxe-Coberg Gotha became the more English-sounding House of Windsor (in a similar public relations ploy to calling hamburger Salisbury steak and sauerkraut Liberty cabbage).  The House of Hanover is alive and well and operating under the Windsor brand, non-technically speaking(that is the same family is on the throne whatever they wish to call themselves) just as it continued from 1901 until the middle of World War I under the Saxe-Coburg Gotha label. * Incidentally, Prussia annexed Hanover in 1866, and any Hanoverian titles have been courtesy ones since 1919.  The Hanovers never ruled over all of Germany, only a small principality.

    And yes, the House of Windsor (previously known as the House of Saxe-Coburg Gotha and before that as the House of Hanover) is on the throne because they were the closest living relations to the House  of Stuart (a bunch of Scots), who were the closest living relations to the House of Tudor. No less than its multi-cultural subjects, a 20th and 21st century British royal family certainly proves that nationality is quite different than ethnicity.


  2. "The House of Hanover is alive and well and operating under the Windsor brand."

    It isn't. The Hanoverians ended with the death of Victoria. Edward VII was not a Hanoverian but of the House of Saxe Coburg Gotha - Victoria's husband's name. That name was changed to Windsor and the last of the house of Windsor is the current Queen. The next King will be of the House of Mountbatten (Philip's name) or more probably Mountbatten-Windsor. If the German names had not been changed, Charles would be Battenburg Saxe Coburg Gotha.

    All that is irrelevant as  the Queen has English ancestry that can be traced back to before the Norman Conquest. She is also related to all the royal houses of Europe. Just because she has a German name doesn't make her German.

  3. It would only have continued were Victoria to have been male. Plans to declare officially that she was male and to rename her Victor reached an advanced stage and protheses were manufactured. But the plan fell through when the potential  spouse, Albert of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha, refused to have surgery, wear a bust prothesis and be renamed Alice.

  4. You're confused. Hanover was taken over by Prussia in 1866.

  5. HM GeorgeV made that discission in 1917 and parliament gave way to do so and so that's when battenburg became Mountbatten and Windsor became the Royal Last name,

    and so on and so on.

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