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Evolution of chickens from dinosaurs????????

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Did chickens evolve from dinosaurs??

The evidence seems contradictory, even from evolutionists. There is a strong argument from a variety of fields suggesting birds and dinosaurs shared a common ancestor.

Almost certainly there is a huge gap of 'evidence' from fossils.

In my own mind I can see and make an argument for both sides yet I know which side of the garden I'm sitting.

Just curious as to your thoughts.

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  1. In the past few years, we have discovered dinosaurs with feathers, and it now seems as if feathers first evolved for warmth, and were later adapted for flight.  This is known as "exaptation", and there are many examples.

    The gap between reptiles and birds is one of the oldest and most interesting of the "missing links".  When Charles Darwin published the first edition of "The Origin of Species", there was a complete gap, but a couple of years afterwards, the first archaeopteryx was discovered.  This is a beautiful example of what was at that time a theory (an overwhelming consensus of scientists now regard evolution as established fact) been confirmed by a successful prediction.

    Of course there are missing links, because it is very unusual for things to get fossilised (how many fossil squirrels are there in your backyard?), but as time goes by the gaps get smaller and smaller, as required by evolution, and in contradiction to creationism unless you think that the creator kept on changing his mind about how to design things.


  2. Neither science or religion knows for certain, however science continues to gain more evidence than religion.  Do you know of any Black family who over the generations has become Chinese?

  3. i think thay do thats why i eat chicken to get my own back cos diosaurs must have eaten **** loads of my cave man ancesters

  4. The evidence is "sketchy" at best, some fragments of D.N.A. match birds and dinosaurs.

    The fossil record shows reptilian animals with feathers.

    I would take the findings at face value, and not as fact.

  5. now you hit the nail directly on it's head....yep, that's why the evolution theory is flawed.

    God made each animal (group) by itself at the beginning of time.

  6. "Collagen fragments from a 68-million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex and a 160,000- to 600,000-year-old mastodon were analyzed by mass spectrometry. The peptides were measured for mass and fragmented to reveal their amino acid sequence. Then the sequences were compared to those of living animals. The majority of T. rex sequences were found to be identical matches to amino acid sequences found in chicken collagen alpha 1. Others matched the newt and frog."

    http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/2007/042007...

    The conclusion is that T. rex's closest *living* animal relative may be the chicken - but of course we haven't sequenced ALL animal genomes so it may be a more primitive bird or reptile.

    This is certainly evidence that birds and dinosaurs are evolutionarily related but to say that the domestic bird species known as the chicken - artificially selected from a jungle fowl, Gallus gallus - evolved from T. rex is like saying humans evolved from monkeys - misleading, misinformed and missing the point. There's a larger picture that can't be seen from every seat in the garden...

  7. Google "Archosaur"

  8. There is not 'a strong argument' that birds and dinosaurs shared a cmon ancestor.

    The evidence suggests no such thing.

    In order to fly a bird needs a body specially designed in many ways: wings, muscles to use the wings, feathers, an oil gland to oil them with, light bones (completely different to reptile bones), lungs that work in a completelydifferent way, etc.

    Check out some of the evidence: http://creationontheweb.com/content/view...

  9. Yes, I believe that birds eveolved from dinosaurs.

    Ask your average paleontologist who is familiar with the phylogeny of vertebrates and they will probably tell you that yes, birds (avians) are dinosaurs. Using proper terminology, birds are avian dinosaurs; other dinosaurs are non-avian dinosaurs, and (strange as it may sound) birds are technically considered reptiles. Overly technical? Just semantics? Perhaps, but still good science. In fact, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of birds being the descendants of a maniraptoran dinosaur, probably something similar (but not identical) to a small dromaeosaur. What is this evidence?

    Dr. Jacques Gauthier, during his time as a graduate student of Professor Kevin Padian here at Berkeley, did his dissertation research on this subject, creating the first well accepted, detailed phylogeny of the diapsids. His work provided strong, compelling support for the theory that birds are theropod dinosaurs.

    In 1860, shortly after the publication of Charles Darwin's influential work On the Origin of Species By Means of Natural Selection, a quarry worker in Germany spotted an unusual fossil in the limestone of the Solnhofen Formation (late Jurassic period). This fossil turned out to be the famous 'London specimen' of Archaeopteryx lithographica. It was a beautiful example of a "transitional form" between two vertebrate groups (traditional reptiles and birds); just what Darwin expected would eventually be found. Archaeopteryx, generally accepted as being the oldest known bird, is an important link between birds and other coelurosaurs that has helped to illuminate the evolutionary history (phylogeny) of the group.

    Dr. Gauthier's cladistic work in the mid-1980's provided the best analytical systematic support for the theory that birds are the descendants of dinosaurs. Several independent analyses by other scientists have repeatedly upheld Gauthier's results. Today the important issue seems to be specifically which dinosaurs are the closest relatives of birds.

    For those that have actually seen the relevant specimens and considered all of the relevant data (which is a basic procedure for any scientist), it is becoming increasingly difficult to draw the line between "bird" and "non-avian dinosaur".

    Coelurosaurian dinosaurs are thought to be the closest relatives of birds, in fact, birds are considered to be coelurosaurs. This is based on Gauthier's and others' cladistic analyses of the skeletal morphology of these animals. Bones are used because bones are normally the only features preserved in the fossil record. The first birds shared the following major skeletal characteristics with many coelurosaurian dinosaurs (especially those of their own clade, the Maniraptora, which includes Velociraptor):

    The "controversy" remains an interest more of the press than the general scientific community. There are more interesting issues for scientists to explore, such as how flight performance changed in birds, what the earliest function(s) of feathers was(were), when endothermy arose in some archosaurs, which group of theropods was ancestral to birds, how theropod ecology changed with the acquisition of flight, why some bird groups survived the Cretaceous extinction of other dinosaurs, etc.

    The facts are resoundingly in support of a maniraptoran origin for birds; certainly a theropodan origin at the very least.

  10. birds in general came from dinos

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