Family Tree Nightmare?

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Hi All,I wonder if there is anyone who can help me with this stinker.

Frances Maria Rand born 1833 in Greenwich married John Tantony in 1852 in Greenwich (although Ancestry says her surname is Rann)They have several children and appear on various census returns as Tantony/Tantoney/Tantany.

This is where my problem starts They have George c 1868.... Mary Ann c1860.... Matilda c1866..... Maria c 1856 ....James c 1863 .....John c 1858 and Phoebe c 1853...

I cannot find any Registered Births for any of these children.

I know some of you wonderful folk love a challenge so I would appreciate any help ...

Many Thanks for reading

Best Wishes To All

Answer 1

I'm afraid I can't help with the registered births, but it is likely these children were christened, why not contact the parish church and ask about archives? They will almost certainly be willing to help out.

Answer 2

Hi, I have just found this one

So he may have died before registering happened?

Name:  Joseph Tantony

Birth:  abt 1869

Death:  Jun 1871 - Greenwich, Greater London, Kent, London

Have you visited the Church of the Latterday Saints near you.  If you look at www.familysearch.org and click on the library link on the top of the page, it will give you the instructions for visitng the library.  If you want to find out if there are appropriate records then go back to the home page click on

Search Genealogy Records & Library

Then click on

Family History Library Catalog

Then click on Place

Then type in Greenwich, this will bring up some areas, click on England, Greenwich, Kent which will then bring up a list of the records that they have. If you do not find the information that you require, then how about a visit to the Heritage Centre

http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/Le...

Or contact Greenwich Registry Office who may do searches for you http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/Co...

Good Luck

Answer 3

Hi, I have spent some time having a look for you.

I have found the family as have others in the1861 Census, with the census showing that they were all born Greenwich, Greater London, and yes John snr, was a Mariner.The family at that time were living at 4, Billingsgate Street.

In 1871 however, Frances Maria had previously died in 1870.The person who wrote the records for the death certificate wrote the name as Tantany.

Death Reg info as follows:

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833

Year of Registration: 1870

Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec

Age at Death: 37

District: Greenwich

County: Greater London, Kent, London

Volume: 1d

Page 498

In 1871, John Tantony snr, then stopped being a Mariner, and became a labourer in order to look after his family it seems. By that time Pheobe went to wrok as a servant. Address at that time 26, Church St, Greenwich.

I then find in 1881 John  Snr, living as a lodger on his own, with the rest of the family obviously flown the nest.

You are quite correct about the birth certs info is not there. I cannot find either.

Perhaps, one day you need to make a trip to London to track down the information you need in person.

Sorry I cannot be more help.

Answer 4

If you think they may have been born at sea or overseas findmypast.com have indexes of those births.

Unfortunately it only shows the range that the name may be in and then you have to pay to view whether or not the name is actually listed.

Anyway I had a look at one to see what it would show and here is a link to the image- sorry no Tantonys though.

http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj119...

Answer 5

Wow, I've spent a while looking and I'm stumped!  I've found the marriage and the census entries but the kids?  Nothing.

In 1861 they have a 5 month old and I've looked at the indexes for Mar 1861 and Dec 1860 and no Mary Ann Tantony.

I notice he was a Mariner and I wonder whether that might have anything to fo with it?

EDIT:  I'VE FOUND ONE - sorry for shouting!!!

Matilda Frances Tantney b. 07.12.1865 c. 22.12.1865 St. Alphage, Greenwich. Father: John Mother: Frances.

Source - IGI

There is nothing in the birth index for Dec 1865, Mar or Jun 1866 but if you were able to look at the original Baptism record it might shed some light on where she was born.  If you are in London you can try going to the church or you can try your local Church of Jesus Christ...

Answer 6

I have a Rand connection in my research married to/ connecting with the surname TANT. Tant is sometimes listed as Tanton....so try the ESSEX area.

Just found these

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Surname  First name(s)  Age  District  Vol  Page  

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Deaths Mar 1842   (>99%)

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Tantony  Hannah    Kingston  4 153    

Tantony  Mary     Kingston  4 154    

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Marriages Sep 1842   (>99%)

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TANTONY  Thomas     Brentford  3 24    

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Marriages Dec 1847   (>99%)

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TANTONY  Elizabeth Jane     Kingston  4 237    

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Marriages Mar 1850   (>99%)

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Tantony  Mary     Kensington  3 235    

Tantony  Mary     Kensington  3 265    

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Marriages Dec 1852   (>99%)

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Tantony  John     Greenwich  1d 794    

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Marriages Jun 1855   (>99%)

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TANTONY  James     Stepney  1c 893    

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Deaths Jun 1858   (>99%)

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Tantony  James     Greenwich  1d 359    

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Deaths Sep 1868   (>99%)

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Tantony  William  60  Kingston  2a 174    

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Marriages Dec 1869   (>99%)

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Tantony  James     Brentford  3a 125    

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Births Mar 1871   (>99%)

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Tantony  Elizabeth Sarah     Kingston  2a 292    

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Deaths Jun 1871   (>99%)

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Tantony  Joseph  2  Greenwich  1d 534    

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Births Jun 1873   (>99%)

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Tantony  John James     Kingston  2a 262    

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Deaths Jun 1873   (>99%)

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Tantony  Sarah  87  Kingston  2a 149    

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Births Mar 1876   (>99%)

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TANTONY  William Ernest     Kingston  2a 312    

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Births Sep 1878   (>99%)

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TANTONY  Mary Ann A     Kingston  2a 296    

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Marriages Jun 1884   (>99%)

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Tantony  Phoebe     Bethnal Green  1c 504    

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Marriages Dec 1884   (>99%)

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Tantony  John     Greenwich  1d 1421    

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Deaths Sep 1888   (>99%)

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TANTONY  James  76  Greenwich  1d 537    

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Births Mar 1889   (>99%)

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Tantony  Maggie     Greenwich  1d 1054    

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Marriages Jun 1889   (>99%)

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Tantony  Elizabeth     Brentford  3a 146    

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Deaths Sep 1889   (>99%)

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Tantony  Maggie  0  Greenwich  1d 559    

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Births Sep 1890   (>99%)

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Tantony  Phoebe Ellen     Greenwich  1d 973    

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Deaths Mar 1892   (>99%)

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Tantony  John  73  Kingston  2a 324    

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Births Sep 1892   (>99%)

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Tantony  Ellen     Greenwich  1d 1007    

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Births Mar 1895   (>99%)

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Tantony  Margaret     Greenwich  1d 1084    

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Marriages Jun 1895   (>99%)

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Tantony  Ada     Portsea  2b 937    

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Deaths Mar 1896   (>99%)

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Tantony  Margaret  1  Greenwich  1d 622    

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Deaths Sep 1897   (>99%)

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Tantony  Ellen  5  Greenwich  1d 636    

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Deaths Dec 1897   (>99%)

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Tantony  Mary Ann  82  Greenwich  1d 669    

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Births Mar 1898   (>99%)

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Tantony  Edward John     Greenwich  1d 1134    

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Births Sep 1899   (>99%)

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Tantony  Thomas     Greenwich  1d 1005    

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Deaths Sep 1899   (>99%)

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Answer 7

Do you think the children were born in Greenwich as well.

Name: Phoebe Tantony

Year of Registration: 1884  

Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun  

District: Bethnal Green  

County: Greater London, London, Middlesex  

Volume: 1c  

Page: 504