For smart people who think a lot...?

Question

Do you believe that the derangement of the senses could lead to the fulfillment of the senses? or is it a false fulfillment?

Answer 1

Yes kind of.  I think that "normal" thinking is often wrong, and always stupid.  It is the odd ones that are mentally gifted.

The line between genius and madness is very very thin.... I think one of the few distinguishing differences is the ability to switch off the crazy for long enough to communicate with less intelligent people.  

Of course their are those who are just crazy without the smarts.... but many crazy people are too smart IMO, just unable to bring their minds down to our level long enough to make sense.  In some sense I think it might be like when you talk to your dog..... the dog thinks you are nuts because your odd grunts are senseless.

Autism is a good example of this.... some are able to do seeming impossible things with their mind.  If a "normal" person had those abilities they would be considered an unparrallelled genius.  Absolute memory retention, incredible mathematical skills, the ability to absorb all external stimulai.  Unfortunately this genius comes at a very dear price, that of communication and understanding of the rest of us.

Answer 2

It sounds like a paradox question so popular in cheap  french beach movies in which an old guy is trying to get lucky with a gullible student.

Answer 3

hmm, it must be fun to think that way but a drag to have to deal with the clinical diagnoses.

Answer 4

please explain

Answer 5

lol...

Answer 6

Let's see if I understand the question correctly:

When you leave your mind/senses free to wander their own paths, your mind/senses unexpectedly stumble upon truths you would never find if you were consciously searching.  (Isn't that feeling of insightfulness partly the purpose of meditation and psychedelic drugs?)

Those newfound truths could be false.  You might be accepting them as absolute truths because you're out of your mind.  But, if you started thinking, you wouldn't be letting your mind/senses do their own thing....  You get the circular logic, so I'll stop there.

Answer 7

I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.

Confucius

Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC)

Answer 8

yes

Answer 9

I think that you gain awareness of but not balance.

Answer 10

I'm not claiming to be smart, nor to think a lot;

but I would claim common sense and logic

which comes with wisdom and life experiences.

Answer: That would be a false assumption/fulfillment.

Why? Because insanity, dulling of the senses using

drugs and/or alcohol are merely stimulants and depressants.

The mind/senses are just as easily stimulated by things which aren't harmful to the body and create greater chaos

and addictions and deterioration.

The senses are directly associated with the flesh..and the flesh cannot be fulfilled anyhow. It always demands more.

One cigarette becomes a pack or two. One drink becomes

a pint; a fifth. One beer becomes a 12-pack; a case. And

so on and so forth.

So, no..derangement of the senses would never completely

lead to fulfillment of the senses. Getting high just makes everything APPEAR to be more enlightening when they may actually not be very edifying at all.

Peace/Joy

Answer 11

In a roundabout way, yes, the derangement of the senses could lead to the fulfillment of the senses.  But that must be explained:

Suppose I get totally scrambled with a dose of LSD.  Suppose that I don't find it impossible to find the bits and pieces of the mind I left behind.  In that case, when I 'come back to myself,' I come as an outsider (sorta), and I can reorganize the bits and pieces according with a fuller understanding of what I might have been absent the scrambling.  

The parallel process from real life would be something like when the office manager drops dead and a new office manager gets appointed.  The new guy, with a perspective not bound to the established routine scopes things out and declares 'a New Order,' and things (one might hope) proceed thereafter more elegantly, more efficiently, etc.

I chose that example deliberately.  The usual claim from druggies is that their experience with drugs leads to enhanced joy in life, clearer thoughts, better s*x life, etc.  But I have some doubts; having had 'the new office manager' more than once, I observe that more often than not, 'the new office manager' is a moron, and no improvement over the old moron who preceded him.  And so I believe it to be for 'ecstatic experiences,' as well.

I don't wish you to take this as a condemnation of the "Turn on, tune in, drop out" program from Leary.  He might have been close to the mark.  A REGULATED such program MIGHT lead to an enhanced humanity--but it comes with no guarantees.  You could end up a burned-out hippie-ersatz with no gains at all, for your 'deranging-the-senses exercise.'

Me, I suck up a little wine and get mildly buzzed.  It seems to work, if I keep the intake BELOW 'blitzed.'