For the 9/11 truthers out there....?

Question

Do you really believe you can sit back in your chair and look up some links on the internet and you got it all figured out? It's been 7 years and I think by now everyone has their own opinion. You can find "proof" it was an inside job. I can find proof it wasn't an inside job. I can find proof global warming caused 9/11, or even the Boy Scouts of America did 9/11. A link on the internet does not count as proof. Why don't you people give it a rest?

Answer 1

BILL S.  Thank you for that link.  I consider myself one of the quasi to ill informed 9/11 truthers and appreciate your efforts to educate.

Answer 2

It is called looking at things with logic.

How many times do you swallow what others state about something without any kind of investigation from the scene of the crime?  The fact that the metal was removed and sent to China without a blink of the eye speaks volumes.  The other fact that there was thermite found on shards which weren't sent there it another fact.

Also, why was there NO COMMENT about the 3rd building we lost on that day in the 9/11 Commission?  There were other buildings in closer quarters to the buildings than building 7 was, but yet it was building 7 which went down.  If it is true about their pulling it, then why didn't they wait until the investigation was completed before doing so?  I have NEVER heard the demolition of a building 9 hours after it started fire...how did the demolitions get in there so quickly if they weren't in there at the start?  What about the supposed instability of the building?  Then you get back to the fact that there wasn't any type of investigation.  Why?  What was in that building?

Until you answer me these questions with FACTS from an INDEPENDENT outside source (all of these sources that have been this have sided with the truthers and have FACTS to back them up)...No one will believe the mud slinging that people like you keep attacking others with.

Answer 3

To answer your question "Why don't you people give it a rest?"

In 5 words "Save this country from tyranny"!

Answer 4

The truther conspiracy theorists are bereft of common sense and trying to deal with them is an effort in futility.  Look at the answers you've received.  All copied from people who are profiting from the irrational fears and ineptitude of simple people who aren't capable of distinguishing fact from fiction.  

So yea they do believe they can sit in their chair and figure it all out.

Answer 5

Most of those people cannot accept the reality that we were vulnerable to a terrorist attack on that level.

The rest are paranoid about our government, and think anything bad is their fault no matter what evidence there is.

I doubt that there are many people in either group that understand the dynamics of what happened, and you are right, I have seen parts of a couple of videos where the people in the videos were saying things like "anyone can tell" and "that didn't look right" and "that couldn't happen".

Basing "results" on comments such as those render them null and void.

Both groups think that everyone else has to provide proof that it wasn't some grand "inside job" conspiracy.

Answer 6

I heard blah blah blah blah "I'm a bitter bitter man" blah blah blah blah blah.

Answer 7

Not YouTube

Not any sort of links to INFORMATION.....

ON the very day 9/11/2001,  I was asking

What happened to the *&^%$#@! AIR FORCE?

WE have a lot of VERY skilled top gun pilots and we have the resorces to PROTECT AMERICA, the hit to the PENTAGON was inexcusable!

I have read the "official" 9/11 report and it just reinforces my gut level knowlage  that 9/11 was an inside job.

The "official" report sez that ANDREWS AIR FORCE BASE didn't happen to have any aircraft that could fly on short notice....

LAME EXCUSE!  Just exactly what was the worlds greatest military power doing to protect its own CAPITAL?

Call CONGRESS TODAY and DEMAND that your represenaitve

seek JUSTICE NOW!

Answer 8

You can't find real proof it wasn't an inside job. You can only find the kind of proof you'd have a hard time convincing a child with. Even the governments own controlled investigations between the 9/11 commision and NIST completely contradict each other.

I would also say the videos of the buildings collapsing and showing the squibs, molten metal flowing, and and explosions running up the building is proof positive to anybody with sense that it was an inside job.

Answer 9

You're undoubtedly the kind of person who believes in coincidences - Santa Claus and the tooth fairy too I presume?

Like the coincidental hijacking exercise going on, same time, same scenario, same place on 911?  (The kind of scenario Condi Rice said no-one could defend against because it couldn't possibly be envisaged... the coincidence of which was not worthy of any investigation by the 911 commission.)

And the coincidental counter terror exercise run on 7/7 - same time, same scenario, same stations... i.e. exactly the same?  (Google 'Peter Power' - I heard the radio broadcast.)  

BTW That was the day a certain Mr Blair was supposed to be announcing UK troop withdrawal from Iraq - I'm ex-military and I pay attention to such things... another coincidence?

And the coincidence that the company running the 7/7 exercise has a certain Mr Guiliani on the board of directors?

The odds on that little lot must be trillions to one - the intellectual equivalent of the biggest lottery winner in history - like a 3-legged elephant winning the Kentucky Derby.

You put your faith in a cut-price 911 report worth a fraction of the investigation of Bill Clintons 'cigar' - instead of a former Italian Prime Minister, former German Foreign Minister (boss of their secret service), former UK Minister, former US generals, NSA, FBI, CIA officials and even 911 staffers... all of whom have gone public to state that the US government was up to its neck in it.  All of whom have had top secret clearance at some stage in their lives...

You trust that bargain basement 911 report even though it said following the money trail was not relevant to it's objectives... !  What do you think of that decision PVT?

I'd call that a truly remarkable faith in human nature you have there, many others wouldn't be quite so charitable... or are you just thick?

Answer 10

9/11 was no doubt a horrible time in u.s. history and i would highly doubt the americas government agents or what not did this to other americans so people should stop b.s.ing around and we are trying to stop this reign of terror ,unfortuently americans are dying everyday god bless.

Answer 11

Your right, you cant just get your source from Youtube.

I think it is a great source for un biost news though.

It tells you about building 7, which the media will never bring out.

It tells you about the 5 terriost who are still alive who were suppose to be on the plan.

It tells you how jet fuel would not melt those steel beams and how MIT experts say that it was contolled demo

Im just saying, if your looking to get the truth you will not get it from CNN, Fox, MSMBC..ect. Books and internet are sometimes the only unbiost sources.

Answer 12

Uh......how do you think criminal investigators sort out the motives and suspects of a murder?  Usually they aren't there to witness every single moment and detail of the event firsthand inside and out, so they have to look at a little something they call "EVIDENCE".  I'm sure you've watched a couple episodes of "Law and Order" so you know what I'm talking about..........

I'm not sure your point really has merit anyway.  We're not just "sitting back in our chairs"  picking out links at random.  We're also USING OUR BRAINS.  Which is a foreign concept to most sheeple.  We have to learn Foreign Policy, Economics, Physics, Architecture, Military Protocol, CIA and Mossad tactics, the history of organizations that YOU have never heard of, like the CFR, the Bilderberg Group, etc.  History that they don't teach you in your crappy College................all on our own, just to understand what REALLY happened on 9/11.  What do you do?  Watch an hour of CNN and think that you have some kind of grip on the truth?  LOL!  What a joke!

You have to stop looking at the link, and instead look at the information and evidence presented IN the links.  You have to think for yourself.      

We go to public school and take all that we are told as fact. We go to college and take all that we are told as fact. We watch CNN every night and take all that we are told as fact. We would rather set out to be TAUGHT, than set out to LEARN. Learning requires effort and sacrifice. Learning requires you to sometimes abandon what you have been "taught" by others.

Anyone who DOES put in the actual effort required to LEARN the solid facts behind 9/11 realizes that the official story is a sham. But getting people to make this effort is incredibly difficult.

"But.........I saw the plane hit the building! Plane hit building.......building go boom....................."

They ASSUME that what they saw was all that there was. That jet fuel which burns at 1200 F to 1800 F magically melts Steel Core Columns FIREPROOFED with asbestos that has a melting point of 2800 F SIMULTANEOUSLY!

"But, but.........the NIST website said there was no melted steel and that it was just weakened by the fire......blah blah etc........."

Sorry, the Steel was MELTED! Here's the proof:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/690AB7EDC...

This means that SOMETHING, that wasn't Jet Fuel, introduced the 2800 F (probably much higher) heat needed to melt the fireproofed steel, causing the near simultaneous collapse of the core columns. There are very few substances that can do this, and they would have to be PLACED inside the building by someone. For a deeper explanation, read this:

http://www.neithercorp.us/nforum/indepen...

I could write 50 pages covering all the evidence, but the molten Steel is sufficient. NO ONE can argue against it and still retain a rational and scientific position. NIST failed. Popular Mechanics failed. That's just how it is. Deal with it.

I guarantee 99% of the people who believe the Official Conspiracy Story; 19 Muslim Hijackers (by the way, at least 4, possibly 7 of them were never even on a plane, and are still alive to this day)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_...

99% of those people have never seen the videos or news stories I'm linking here. That's because though they CLAIM that they've done their homework, they are just BS-ing you, and they are BS-ing themselves.

What you don't seem to comprehend is that what we are presenting are not just "links" but cold, hard, irrefutable FACTS.  But because people like you believe that they have the world "figured out", you will blindly dismiss any truth that contradicts your preconceived notions of reality.  And thus, all you see, are "links."

Here is a quote I'm sure you've never read by a guy you've never heard of on FOX news, so that must mean its not important, right?

"The powers of financial capitalism had (a) far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), mentor to Bill Clinton, quote from “Tragedy and Hope”, 1966

/////// Sureyouare.....

That's a fascinating observation.  We're all truly awestruck by your ability to avoid any concrete discussion of the facts at hand with your cowardly dismissal disguised as careless nonchalance.  I DARE you or anyone else to produce a Scientifically Plausible reason for the molten steel (besides Thermite) which I presented in the "Link" above.  Then maybe someone will take you seriously.  If NIST ignored it, and Popular Mechanics lied about it, then I KNOW you can't explain it.  Or, will you respond again by shrugging off the facts with more vague and baseless opinions?

Answer 13

All the proof you need is to look at any video of the Twin Tower collapse, and a basic knowledge of Newtons laws of motion.

Also to know that there has been no footage of a plane, unequivocally, hitting the pentagon, that has been released.

It's not difficult, no need to do any further research.

And much more I won't go on about.

I do note however, that I know many people who used to believe the official story, but have learned better.

I have yet to come across anybody who has changed their mind the other way, from believing it was an inside job, to believing it wasn't.

Answer 14

I'm certainly not one to side with the government on anything, but I agree with you to some degree.  The 9/11 truthers jump on the "I've got proof" bandwagon way too often.

For example, the Larry Silverstein "pull it" quote.  I remember about a year after the attacks I watched a "Loose Change" debunking video that showed the entire interview with Silverstein where he said "pull it".  He was talking to the fire chief about pulling the teams of firefighters out of the building.  The truthers use that over and over and it's taken completely out of context.

If you do a search on google video for "9/11 debunked:", you'll find credible explainations deunking many of the myths the 9/11 truthers propagate about what happened that day.  

However...

There is a strong case to be made for complicity within our government.  At the very least there was utter incompetence, in which many people should have lost their jobs, or gone to jail.  This can be proven with main steam news articles.  The most credible website I've found that points out all the missed opportunities and all the ties between the government and the terrorists is this one...

This is the 10 page version of the events...

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up1...

Here's the 25 page version...

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline2...

And here's the in-depth 60 page version...

     http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline6...

So to say the truthers don't have reason to question what happened, who knew what and when, who profited and so on... is not fair.  The government's official investigations were shoddy cover-ups and inconclusive at best.  However, the truthers don't help their cause running around screaming about a bunch of hokey nonsense that actually distracts from the real issues of the case.  They need to look at what they know for sure and then figure out things from there instead of believing every story they hear on the internet.

Answer 15

We won't give it a rest because we have REAL and conclusive evidence and know that we are right. Not based upon the internet alone but also with our individual lifetimes of experience within the structures of power and control that play a role in our lives from top to bottom and from an exceptional knowledge of both US and world history.

Most importantly we will not give it a rest because 9/11 was the pretext for a massive shift of the US into undisguised fascism. Unlike Dubya's grandfather Prescott Bush who helped to fund Hitler's rise to power even after the US had entered the war and who was convicted for his crimes, we are not really "down" with fascism.

The evisceration of the constitution.

Police check points in the streets where they demand DNA or blood samples.

Guys like Marcus Wolf (former head of the east German Stasi - you know, the guy people risked their lives to get over the wall in order to get away from him) being hired by homeland security.

Near loss of habeu corpus.

Loss of posse comitatus.

First responders being lied to and ignored while they are dying with over 600 dead already.

Scumbag private mercenaries on the streets of New Orleans confiscating weapons and driving people out of sound homes.

Trillions of dollars that could be used for the betterment of our children's futures flushed down the toilet needlesly.

Widespread arrests of peacefull activists and journalists.

Widespread use of torture,.. uh, I mean pain compliance being used on US citizens by paramilitarized police forces.

Illegal detention and torture of both US and foreign citizens without trial.

8,000,000 americans being placed on terrorist watch lists without any recourse in order to instill fear of the regime.

Concentration camps being built under FEMA by Halliburton for "emergencies".

Complete loss of privacy via widespread illegal wiretapping.

9/11 brought all of these things about and only by putting the perpetrators on trial can any of these battles be won. Shall I go on? I could,...for days.

In case you hadn't noticed there is a REAL war being fought right here in the US on US soil and the real question is why aren't YOU defending your country "soldier"?