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Forget form, breeding- all that counts is how the horse breaks from the stalls, is it not?

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Forget form, breeding- all that counts is how the horse breaks from the stalls, is it not?

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  1. NOPE ,,Nope . Only in Quarter horses does it mean so much

    Not in T,B,S


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  3. Yes it does But NOT SO MUCH IN T.Bs But a clean break is nice ,,if a horse gets bumped at the start some just get upset and will   not run ,Because it scarced them depends on age and the Jock,,

    In quarters Horses it the name of the game all the way ,

    But then again depends on how much experiance hes had and the Jock and how and what happened at the gate ,, But Yes it does matter,,

  4. It is not!

    I remember backing a horse named Belle du jour in the Golden Slipper ( the worlds richest race for 2yr olds). The horse reared at the start nearly throwing the jockey off and missing the start by about 20 lengths. Needless to say I thought I had done my dough, however, at the home turn it had caught up with the field and was 12 lengths behind the lead.

    Belle du jour blitzed them all in straight and went on to win the race.

    The horse was co-owned by Bob Hawke and John Singleton and Singo shouted the entire public area patrons drinks for the next hour or so.

  5. Not at all! There is so much more to racing then breaking good and running as fast as you can. I have watched many horses break bad out of the gate that go on to win the race. It all depends on the pace that is set to...You have horses with many different running styles such as...front runners who for the most part need to be on the lead from the get go to win. These horse generally have really good speed out of the gate. They usually set the pace which can help or harm them. You have horses that like to run just off the pace and stalkers. I personnally love the come from behind horses...it is amazing to see a horse running dead last 20 lengths off the lead come on with an explosive run at the end to win. These horses have to be fit in order to have any chance of winning. They could break from the gate first and have no more run in them after 1 furlong. You have to be able to get these horses to relax and steady their pace so they have something to give at the end. I could go on and on but you get the idea.

  6. jumping cleanly sure helps, but its not the be all and end all!

    as redman stated belle de jour missed the kick, and still managed to win the richest 2YO race in the world!

    missing the start by 20 was slightly eggsaturated, it was more like about 8 lenghts!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az5Yj17aj...

    about 35 sec in to clip, you will see belle de jour miss the kick, then storm home to win!

  7. Breeding matters a lot actually.  A horse with two parents who were both sprinters, is going to be a speed horse with a limited amount of stamina.  A horse with two dead closers for parents is not going to have much early speed.  You have to understand breeding in order to put your horse in the right race... should it run 6 furlongs or should it run 12?  Breeding matters a lot for that.

    Breeding's not going to make a champion horse every time, but some horses produce better progeny than others.  Look at Better Than Honour... she produced two Belmont stakes winners in a row... that shows that breeding really is important.  You don't see ordinary farm horses producing great runners, so there's something to be said for breeding.

    Everything is a factor in racing.  Breeding is actually a rather important factor.  Getting a good break from the gate is a factor.  Having enough early speed to stay with the field is a factor.  Training well in the mornings is a factor.  Not all factors are important for any single horse.  Evening Attire never breaks well from the gate, but he has a great closing style that wins him races very often.  Lava Man was a claimer without any excellent pedigree, but when he gets a good stalking trip on a real dirt surface in California (difficult to come by nowadays), he's almost unbeatable.  It depends on the horse, but all the factors are important for the aggregate of horses.

  8. it is, then trust the jockey

  9. It is exciting to watch a horse come from worst to first ,though I think it's as least as hard to lead from the front.

    You've nothing to judge your run by and it's harder to know when to 'press the button' and go on.

    As for the break, I've seen plenty make up for a bad start even over 5f's.As long as the horse is calm in the stalls right until the off,I'm calm too.A horse can easily be scrubbed along to make up a good few lengths.

  10. haha no theres a lot more to it than that

  11. Serena is right! She gave a great answer.I will give you an example though. "Rags to Riches" stumbled coming out of the gate at the 2007 Belmont Stakes and she won the race."Evening Attire" a 10 year old gelding almost always breaks slowly and usually runs last and then boom,he comes running and he won last week in the greenwood Stakes by 81/4 lengths.

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