Four Questions about the big bang theory....?

Question

I am a true born again, Christian, believer. I have been studying the Big Bang theory because many Atheists believe in it and I want to disprove them. I already have a lot of good things to say about where the theory is faulted. I do have some questions though before It ell anyone what I have found wrong with the theory, I want some answers here.

1. WHAT caused the Big bang? Propane tanks do not blow up for no reason. Something had to cause this explosion...what was it? I did not read anything about it online.

2. How on earth did they come up with such numbers as '15 billion years ago' and '3,000 degrees kelvin'?

3. If everything was that hot, how can any life sustain or start AT ALL? I mean, I am a Vegan, a health nut. I eat mostly raw foods because raw food gives me energy, cooked food makes me tired and sick. Being a gardener, I also know that a boiled seed WILL NOT GROW.

4. If the big bang is true, why does it operate by chance i.e. "fortunately for you"?

Answer 1

1. We don't know what caused the big bang.  That is NOT PART of the big bang theory.  The big bang begins AFTER we have matter that has ALREADY started expanding.  Not knowing does not automatically make the answer god, that's a cop out.  To propose god as an answer, there must be a legitimate reason for doing so.

Also, if you say god caused it, then what caused god?  The line of logic here goes something like this: 1. everything must have a cause.  2. god does not need a cause.  3. god caused the universe.  The obvious flaw in this logic is that step 2 violates step 1.  If everything needs a cause, then god needs a cause.  If god doesn't need a cause, then obviously everything DOESN'T need a cause, and we can now say the universe doesn't need a cause.  There's just no reason to make a distinction here and say the universe needs a cause but god doesn't, unless you've made physical measurements and experiments on both god and the beginning of the universe, then saying one needs a cause and the other doesn't is just your personal opinion.

We do, in fact, know that step 1 is false; everything does not need a cause.  If you read about a thing called quantum fluctuations, you'll see that we have real, observed instances of 'something' coming from 'nothing.'  It's been proposed that one of these kicked off the big bang, that's currently my favorite explanation, but there's no evidence to support it yet.

By the way, it wasn't really an explosion, it was an expansion of space.

2. We know the universe has to be a minimum of 13 billion years old.  We know this because we have taken pictures of galaxies 13 billion light years away, which means those galaxies existed 13 billion years ago because the light emitted from them took 13 billion years to travel here before we saw it and took a picture of it.  Then there had to be time before that for the galaxy to form.  We also know of individual stars and clusters around that age.  The universe has to be at least as old as the oldest thing in it, right?

The 14.6 billion year age comes from measuring the rate that the universe is expanding, then running that backwards to see how long it would take for everything to come together to a point.

3. There *wasn't* life when everything was that hot.  Life came MUCH later.

4. The big bang doesn't operate by chance.  It operates by laws of physics.  We don't even know if it POSSIBLE for a fundamentally different universe to form, much less that it's likely.

"Thought it boring and such mainly because I KNOW that it is not true and believe otherwise"

You should learn more about it.  Evolution is not about belief, it's about facts.  No belief required.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Answer 2

I am glad that you're actually looking for some information, and not just trying to rant. There was one user who posted a question: if the Bible was fabricated by humans, then why does it condemn us all the time - and the reason why he posted this question is just so he could make the point "the Bible is directly fron God!" I've learned my lesson about trying to answer such questions.

Anyways, I have read Hawking's books, and I'm going to try to explain the answers to your questions:

1.

First of all, I mean no offense by this, BUT... if you ask what caused the Big Bang to occur, I can just as well ask you, where did God come from? You then claim that God is timeless and omnipresent. Therefore, you claim that either God waited an infinite duration of time before creating the Universe, or that he created time when he created the Universe, and that time did not exist beforehand. Well, I have a good answer too: Time did not exist before the Big Bang. The idea that every event must be the effect of a cause-and-effect relationship, and in turn be the cause of many more events in the future, does not apply to the Big Bang, because the Big Bang began time itself.

Finally, do note that the Big Bang was not an explosion. It was simply space-time being created. In an explosion, matter and energy fly into the surrounding space. In the Big Bang, matter and energy expanded to generate existence.

2.

No astrophysicist claims that these numbers are accurate. These numbers come from theory. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_...

for more information.

As for temperature, at any given time the average temperature of the universe will have varied inversely with its volume.

3.

The Universe was very hot in its early stages. But then it cooled down, and then life could exist. You say that a boiled seed will not grow into a plant. This is because of the fact that you have denatured the molecules inside the seed, so that they no longer react chemically in the same way as they did before - i.e. the atoms are in all the wrong positions. But it is possible to reassemble those atoms to give a viable seed (we lack the technology to do this at the present moment). I do not believe in a "vitality" or "life force" which is destroyed by heating.

4.

Like I said, the Big Bang started space-time. The Universe could not exist if the Big Bang had not occured, but since it was the first event, there were no preceding events to decide the probability of the Big Bang occurring. If you can claim that God is timeless and eternal, I can claim that the Big Bang was inevitable.

Answer 3

You should buy a reputable book instead of trying to find out on the internet and asking people who are not physicists.  People can post whatever they want on the internet.

Big Bang: The Origin of the Universe by Simon Singh, i haven't read it but it seems to be a good book for people who don't know a lot about physics.

p.s. if you want to disprove a scientific theory you should be doing actual research instead of using false logic.

Answer 4

Real Big Bang Theory....Genesis.

God created the world in one big Bang. =)

Answer 5

1) Nobody knows.  One theory is that the Big Bang was preceded by a Big Crunch, and as matter "crunched" tighter and tighter due to gravity, heat naturally increased (because pv=nrt), and caused the bang.

2) Observation, and cooling rates.  Same as, for instance, determining when a person died, if their body was 70 degrees (Fahrenheit) at the time the body was found.  I know that's not a very specific answer, maybe somebody else can elaborate.

3) Life cannot start at 3000 K.  But obviously, it is not 3000 K right here, right now.  Stuff cooled off.  Then life was able to start, either by act of God or otherwise, depending on what one believes.  If you go to Hawaii, you will see plants growing on lava flows that flowed in the 1950s - same principle.

4) Not sure I understand the question?  Are you saying "if everything happened according to physics and chance, how is it that I am here today?"  Well...I guess kind of like winning the lottery...somebody has to, and in this case perhaps it was Earth.  Just like there are millions of people who play the lottery and don't win, perhaps there are millions of stars/planets that could have formed but didn't, or formed but have no life on them, or formed and developed life but we haven't discovered that life yet.  It's roughly the same argument as "if you have an infinite number of monkeys typing randomly on an infinite number of typewriters, for an infinite amount of time, eventually one of them will type the complete works of Shakespeare".  But it's hard for most people to comprehend large numbers such as 13 billion, or the volume of the universe, etc.

For the record, the two (God, Big Bang) don't have to be mutually exclusive.  I believe in both, and I don't think that makes me a hypocrite.  What if God created the heavens and earth, and the Big Bang is the way in which He did that?  You're probably thinking "because we can add up the ages of Jesus' ancestors in the OT, plus add 2008(ish) and get a number around 6,000, to indicate how long ago Creation occurred".  Feel free to agree or disagree, but here's my take.  Depending on your source, human beings figured out how to use zero to make numbers such as "508" or "1000" sometime between 400BC and 1400BC.  At least, according to the archaeological evidence we've found.  Perhaps we'll find something older someday that shows earlier use of the concept of "zero".  But, just as a toddler can't really tell you if a car ride was 1 hour or 5 hours, how would early humans have been able to grasp a concept such as "13 billion"?  Also, in the Bible, numerology is significant, and isn't always literal - for instance, "40" is often used just to mean "a lot".