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From a christian perspective, what do u think of the dark knight?

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i mean, i know there's spiritual stuff and everything in it, i just can't pick it apart. i mean, wat does it mean? what significance does it? what representations etc? can someone please pick it apart for me?

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  1. From what I've seen. THAT IS ONE EVIL MOVIE!!!!! I HATE MOVIES THAT POISON MINDS!


  2. dont give one ta be honest an im a christian

  3. :\ its just a crazy  clown who wants to kill a good guy and is trying to show that the government cant control everything, no matter how much they want to.

    FIVE FREAKIN STARS!!!!!!!!!!

  4. Best not to worry about these things too deeply. I'm Agnostic personally and I won't criticize your beliefs. As also an artist/writer, however, I felt a lot of the imagery was stunning and gave me chills. I too still have a hard time picking it apart but, either way, it was great movie and extremely well done.

    Slightly off-topic ->  When RoboCop was made back in '88, the director, Paul Verhoven, explained that the underlying theme to it was a modern retelling of the story of Christ. Interesting view? Yes, definitely. I made me think deeper about the plot of the movie, but in the end, I always look back at fondly as a gritty social satire of a film with a lot of violence.

  5. The Dark Knight?  Last movie about Batman, a fictional detective, martial arts expert, billionaire (Bruce Wayne), who operates as a vigilante defending the justice at "Gotham City", specially against gangsters and freaks criminals who are too much for the Police Department, using techniques not necessarily within the law?

    Criminals like the Joker, Two Face, Scarecrow, and the gangsters are sinners which not only sin against God, but also against society.  

    Criminals needs to be arrested and bring to the Justice for trial and if proven guilty be subject to punishment according to law.  They also need rehabilitation and society need to try that in order to bring them an opportunity to change.  That deals with the crimes agaisnt the society.  Criminals also need salvation like everyone else to solve their cases in God's court..   Jesus is available to act as their lawyer, but to hire Jesus there are some details to close the client-lawyer contract first; details like repentance, accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour, etc.

    Regarding Batman and his vigilante actions / methods...

    God can use everyone he pleases to impact our lives and bring justice.  He used the evil kingdom of Babylon to bring justice/punishment to Israel.  That do not imply the king of Babylon was in good terms with God, and not needed salvation himself.

    The ends does NOT justify the means !!!

    * The means must be evaluated / justified separately from the ends.

  6. Converse to what everyone else here says, there is at least one definite Christian reference at the end of the film. Batman, already having been set up as a sort of incarnation of the desire of the city for Justice, accepts the sins of Two-face Harvey as his own, thus permitting his forgiveness in the eyes of the Gotham people. The curious thing here is that Harvey, in dying for what was perceived as a noble cause, was what maintained the faith of the people in the Justice of the city, whereas Batman, the real saviour of the day, was forced to be rejected and suffer for the sins that were not his own, living under a cloak of anonymity until such time as his help was needed.

    So, despite my lack of experience in this sort of thing, perhaps you could draw parallels between Harvey as the idea of martyrdom and Batman as the idea of redemption being opposed to one another. To focus on the fact that Jesus died for you can sometimes ignore the profound act of taking responsibility for the crimes that everyone has done, so although it's okay to sing praises to the guy who died to save you, don't forget that the death itself is simply an unfortunate consequence of the need for repentence, and the really heroic deed is the act of redemption in pursuit of salvation.

    Or something. ^^;

  7. WHAT?? where the f*ck do you see spiritual stuff in it? I see a social and political message, or rather a psychological message, but spiritual...I don't think so...and I am a christian

  8. Miss Delanne, and HARRY POTTER IS JUST A BOOK, but no, u guys are like banning that book going like, no kids, that ugly grey faced dud with no nose is Satan, and h**l EAT  you if you read it!!!!

    exagrated a bit to a lot there, but still, i just dont friggin get how a fictional childrens book with loads of inspirational imagination and creativity can be bad to your religionn! like, if there's a book titled, christianity sucks, I would totally get your point for critisizing it, but dude, its harry potter.

    ahem... anyways back to original question....

    i didnt see the dark knight... but i do know that spiritual stuff in there would probably not be christian related....

    teehee

  9. Hello,

    I guess just a classic good verses evil storyline. Batman is struggling with what is right and wrong in his own life, and what kind choices he should make.

    Of course, joker represents someone who has fully rejected a belief, and is consumed with evil (in my opinion, evil is just really an absence of love).

    The 2 face guy is an example of a good person, that turns bitter when faced with a severe loss. He was a very good man, but rejects love and embraces evil after his losses.

    That is just my interpretation. I really like the batman movies, but they don't even begin to touch smallville-I love that show more than any!

    To me, the superman story is just a reflection of the God/Christ relationship. I can't wait until smallville comes back on Sep. 18th! Yah

  10. There really is no real religious significance. Now if you want religious significance, look at Superman. He came to Earth, by his father, as his planet's only begotten son. He fights evil (like demons).

    Superman is much more of a Jesus/religious-icon than Batman.

    @ Tommy M: You are aware that Batman gave that moniker to himself?

    @ Chicha800: Gotta love the bigotry.

  11. I guess it was okay. But ya know, he ain't no match for the OPIE!!!

    http://www.mayberry.com/interactive/bio_...



  12. Evil>>Its was not a good name for Batman a Hero

  13. Um...there's no spiritual stuff in it. There's physiological elements to it, but no spiritual elements. Sorry to say that.

    As for the elements, I won't go into detail other than that Two-Face is what Bruce Wayne could have become, and vice versa. One used his loss to fight injustice, the other used it as an excuse to get payback.

  14. im not a christian but i see what ur saying. should someone go outside the law to do whats right. as our founding fathers said in the declaration anyone who has the power within them to do something good has the responsibility to. the way i see it if ur doing good things no matter what else you do it still outweighs the bad.

  15. its ohkay.

  16. Although I'm no longer christian, I believe you are referring to the dark night of the soul (not knight).  Its a time when you intensely question your faith, possibly even losing it.  It generally leads to illumination or increased faith.

  17. which dark night, there have been two of them  

  18. Whom and what is the "Dark Knight"? I'm obviously not familiar with this.

  19. I don't think it has any. Lots of stories don't have underlying spiritual themes, ya know.

  20. The Dark Knight has nothing to do with any religion. If you want to find significance there yourself, that isn't a problem. But that comic, and that movie were not made for that reason. To be quite honest, if you try hard enough, you can find religion or 'moral lessons' in anything and everything. The things that take place in that movie have nothing to do with the Christian version of good and evil. It is just a generic good vs. evil. But if you really wanted to stretch it that far, you could say that Batman is Jesus. And that the police lieutenant James Gordon is Judas, because he lets Batman take the fall for something that is really his fault, more or less, he causes his downfall even though they are supposed to be 'buddies'. And that of course, the Joker, is Satan. But honestly, people should just stop looking so deeply for things that aren't really there, and just enjoy movies for what they really are, a form of entertainment.

  21. the dark knight as in Batman "The Dark Knight"?

  22. The dude's name is Christian Bale.

  23. There really isn't any religious or spiritual stuff in TDK, no religious metaphors, no spiritual symbolism.  There is, however, much representation of modern society in that movie, and it also deals with human morality and character, especially in the character of Two-Face and the choices Bruce had to make.  In that way, the movie was brilliant, but I'm sorry, there was no religious significance in it.

    And the people who are saying that the movie is evil are full of sh*t.  That movie is AMAZING.

  24. im catholic and i LOVE the movie.

    but i don't get why your bringing religion into this.

    does it make a difference what religion you are. it was a movie about batman not god.  

  25. Listen im Catholic and a very conservative Catholic at that, and i found nothing wrong with the movie. I happened to enjoy it very much; not as much as say the Godfather or Rocky or A Bronx Tale, but it was good. I dont see where religion connects to this movie. Sure the Jokers character was very dark and twisted but hey, its a movie. Yea there maybe some people who are just as twisted in real life but i dont get what it has to do with religion.

  26. i thought it was a real good movie. but it's fantasy. it's just a movie.

  27. No cuz i dont watch q***r movies :S

  28. Here is my interpretation as a long time Christian.....IT'S JUST A MOVIE !!  

  29. do you mean the batman movie, or something else i never heard of?

    theres no spirituality in that movie as far as i was watching.  just goodies and badies.

    what part were you watching?

  30. im catholic and i found it amazing. take it for what it is dont make it c**p by trying to relate it to religion. i hate that. a strong message was that some people just like to watch the world burn. is that religous? it can be but it would just make the movie crappier

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