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G-D is PERFECT in all of His creations, so how could He create rebellious Angels?

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Does this show signs of an imperfect G-D or have we just BEEN TAUGHT the whole meaning?

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  1. God's inability to get the religions to agree on God which has resulted in the deaths of a hundred million people is a sign of imperfection. Religion just refuses to admit it.


  2. A whole lot of things seem to be contradictory in religious books unless you choose not to think. Anyway, the option is to understand that these are all things that far bypass our human logic, so we'll never even start to grasp a bit of their true essence.

  3. The original word for angel is also that for messenger. So, the translators have used their own  preferences, I believe.

  4. It's all part of Gods' ineffable plan.

    Live with it.

  5. Did God create rebellious man? God did not create us to rebel but the absence of light is darkness.

    Creation is still in progress.

  6. I think Satan is a metaphor or was made up to scare Christians. I am reading the Bible, but I aint found anything yet about rebellious angels can someone give me a reference?

  7. We are so accustomed to a world of hierarchies, rules and regulations that we can not fathom a system based on trust. Trust that we can do what is right, even when faced with the option to do the opposite,  without anyone applying pressure. If I extend you trust and you abuse it, does that make me untrustworthy or you? Does that weaken trust and make it a bad thing? For whom.  

  8. Free will was also given to the angels. they went through a trial like we are doing only way back when. God bless you.

  9. All your statement implies is that god may be improperly defined within the texts of Christianity or that he also allowed freewill to the angels.  But what difference does it make? Do you encounter either of them much in your life?  I've yet to see them.

  10. God made everything right from the start, but included free will, even for the angels. He knew and expected that things would go south for a while, but assures us that it will all return to correct position in the end.

  11. It's God, not G-D... why do you hyphenate?

    Everyone had free will, including the angels. Lucifer wanted to become more powerful than God and take over, so God punished him and sent him away, to h**l.



  12. Angels were created without freewill and only to follow God's commandments.

    Devils or satans are not angels, they are jinnis or spirits.

  13. Free will makes us like God. He wants people who choose to be there, not those that are forced.  

  14. God created all intelligent living things perfect and with free will. Humans and angels. God wants all his intelligent creatures to reason and serve him out of love. I don't know where you got the idea that angels do not have free will.

    Satan WAS an obedient spirit creature that was in the company of God's angels (Job 1:6) He became jealous for the worship God was receiving and rebelled (John 8:44), misleading and manipulating the first couple, Adam and Eve, with false reasoning's so that they also rebelled (Genesis 3:1-7).

    Before the Flood of Noah's day, other angels rebelled against God and joined Satan's rebellion, taking on human bodies for themselves so that they could engage in human activities, something against God's original purpose for them (Genesis 6:1,2; Jude 6)

    God did not create anything imperfect or rebellious. All intelligent creatures with the ability to reason were given free will to chose whether or not they want to serve God.

  15. As a matter of fact, Satan was created from Fire, not from Light. Hence Satan was a Jinn, not an Angle (Islamic concepts). FYI, Jinnkind has the choice like mandkind to either choose good or evil.

    Specifically about Angels, Koran has spoken about Angels who adhere to the Commandments of God, are the Keepers of the Hellfire.

    From here we can safely deduce that there might be, I repeat, "might be" some angels that might neglect or ignore the commandments of God All-mighty.

    Hence, there is a possibility!

    However, God knows the best.

  16. what's with this "G-D" ?

    do you mind making the extra effort to push the letter "O" , out of respect at least.

    :D thanx.

    wow, God must be powerful if He is the only name you can't stand to spell out.

    Free will to the angels my friend.

    But lets face it, even if he made them so they weren't rebellious, then you would say, "God is just controlling them like robots"

    either way, you won't be happy.

  17. God is as perfect as you want to imagine him/it to be.

  18. The balance, man. There always has to be a balance. Nothing is all good, or all bad. Not even (shuddered gasp!) God. How could he be? And why would you want him to be? God created everything right? So how could a God who was all good create something bad? He made the angels like he was made: both good and evil. And then he game them a choice to which one they would live with. As is the nature of things, some chose to be good, and some chose to be bad. That was like the only choice they had though, they didn't have free will. That was why Lucifer became bad. He was pissed off that the humans got free will, and he didn't.

  19. This is an issue that I am glad that i am muslim about. In Islam we believe that the devil, satan was a jinn which is ghost like creature made from fireless flame and he had reached such a level of worship that he lectured the angels. But when he refused to bow down to the Prophet Adam (upon him Peace) then he was ejected from Heaven.

    This was not due to his being a jinn in which he had the will to choose, this is not because he was an angel. We believe that in Islam an angel does as God/Allah commands without refusal.

    Then you may think about the original sin theory then we can answer as well.

    As for Adam (upon him Peace) sin, Muslims don't consider this a sin, we do not believe that we are being punished for this sin neither are we born in sin. In fact there was many benefits gained here, one is that the envy of satan became manifest. Also Adam and Eve (upon them peace) were sent to complete the earth! Yes to complete the earth, How? Well if you have built a house and have no people in them is the house complete? It was made for someone to live there and that was its purpose. The earths purpose was to be a shelter for mankind. As far Islam is concerned every person is born pure and innocent.

    If you believe that all of mankind was born in sin then was Jesus (upon him peace) born in sin then? Then was crucified for his own sins? according to you but not the Muslims who believe that he was raised into heaven and will return to kill the anti-christ - Dajjal in Arabic.

    According to the Judaic noahide laws the first is a prohibition of idolatry which is what has happened in the case of Jesus (upon him peace). All the Prophets believed in God alone and that he had nor has any partners.

    I hope this answers your question please email me if I have not. Peace

  20. God was so then he/she/it wanted to be praised because he was so into himself he then made angles with freewill Lucifer/Satin/the Devil was the top praise-sure then he got to thinking hey I can create and he did make people and having s*x with them  This made God mad  he told

    him (the devil) to stop he would not so the War Begin good and bad The bad lost they were sent to the firer pits of h**l and the Devil wanted to get even with God this why God made Earth but the rules it  why we have so much evil and destruction in the form of weather

  21. Lucifer Descending.

  22. Well, God is obviously an idiot or just has a large superiority complex.

  23. "Free will was given to man and not the Angels"?

    Please which scripture did you get that statement from?

    x x x

  24. By that do you mean God was imperfect for giving his creations freewill?? Looking for clarification....

  25. Yea the Christians are confused. Angels have no free will anyway. The devil was a Jin(Spirit) who was raised to heaven as he was once very good much like Jesus (pbuh) who was also raised to heaven. But he got full of himself and thought he could best God resulting in his fall from Heaven.

  26. the rebellious Angels were headed by Lucifer (satan) and what we don't know was the life that was there before we humans were created.

    We see that in the garden of eden, satan was there...the deciever.....which means Before ADAM AND EVE were created satan was already a fallen Angel....with his crew of course....

    to get answer to oyur question, all you need to do is ask yourself.....what life was there in heaven before we humans were created??? how was the relationship between satan and God back then?????

    how did it come to be that satan was Rebellious? where did he get that one from?????


  27. You are probably talking about satan when you say rebellious angels. Well in ISLAM we believe satan was a jinn and jinn's have the choice and Angel's cannot disobey God.
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