Gary McKinnon loses US extradition battle.?

Question

Lets just hope the European Court helps him out.

I got a feeling that the UK were under pressure from the Americans thats why the Lords may of rejected his plea.

Hey guys i dont know if you can remember, but a few years ago did you hear about the Chinese hacking into the American militarys and Nasa's database. The Americans wanted to bring those guys to "justice". China turned around and said "fuc.k off" (not in those words). America left it at that.

So therefore why should they persue an innocent man, yes he did wrong, but if america has security measures then, this wouldnt of happend. Instead they greet hackers with open arms.

What are you views on this?

Answer 1

I have to agree with Dave. He has to be  an intelligent man to be able to do what he did and yet he is unemployed. With his brains I feel sure that he would have had no trouble finding a good job. He is, in my opinion just a lazy and very stupid person who now will have to face the music in the US

Answer 2

I seem to remember many years ago Britain asking the US to extradite some suspected IRA terrorist and the US told us to f**k off.  Seems to me the British Government have very short memory's.

Answer 3

The harmless action of Mr McKinnon showed up the incompetence and inadequate controls in the management of US Military computer systems.

If he gets no justice from the European Court he will continue to be deprived of his liberty, face a judicial system that is not worthy of the name and either rely on an inept public defender or have to find a king's ransom in legal fees. If found guilty(standard verdict for non-US citizens), he will face a possible life sentence.

This is entirely due to the Blair government's subjugation of the rights of HM subjects to the will of a war criminal who is instructed by Corporate USA. While Iran and China may have harsh laws, their citizens at least have the security of being subjected only to the local laws and not to the whims of alien governments.

Answer 4

Maybe now America will allow the killers of Terry Lloyd to attend the inquest....these treaties should work both ways..

Answer 5

i hate Europe & all it stands for but  when it comes to  a british pesons rights  if thats the only place you can go  to be treated fair then  i hope  he wins his case, he has done nothing against  his country britain just a country that we are friends with at the moment america? what if it had been iran?

america does more to  the british people  gov every day but we let it ride lets get all the americans who have killed british troops over here to face an inquest they just get away with murder literaly , the british government are just selling the british public down the river, we are not an american state & its about time every one realised that

Answer 6

It is certain that the most expert hackers are employed by governments and the military.

The words 'pot' 'kettle' and 'black' come to mind.

Edit :- I have just seen your query.

'The pot calling the kettle black' is a saying meaning that the accuser is doing the same as he whom they are accusing, hence my initial comment.

Sorry to be so cryptic.

Answer 7

The guy committed a crime. He knew it was a crime.

If he didnt want to face the consequences, he shouldnt have done it in the first place.

Sorry but if he's so innocent why doesnt he go to defend himself in court instead of stalling?

Im not going to turn this into a Brit vs America debate. This is about whether or not Britain wants to harbour a criminal who unlawfully hacked into a system.

Answer 8

You can't call him and innocent man and then admit that he has broken the law in the same sentence. he committed a crime which is an extraditable offence, and he is to be extradited. The US had security for a reason, and the presence of that security is a clear signal that what he was doing was illegal. Knowing this, he carried on anyway

Answer 9

He deserves life and hopefully he will get it!!

Putting innocent lives at risk should always be punished!!!

Answer 10

I feel that it would be a grave miscarriage of justice if Gary McKinnon is turned over to the Americans.  I think it is obvious to anyone that he is not going to get a fare deal.  A top security prison for 60 years!  Does anyone here really think he deserves that.  He  broke into the computers of military installations and NASA because he could.  The information was not sold on or used in any way detrimental to the Americans.  If anything he has done them a favour - now perhaps they will tighten up their security.  He has shown them up to be  the incompetent fools they are.  And for that he must pay?  

I believe any punishment should be carried out in this country.  I am not suggesting he should just get away with it, obviously he knew it was a crime, but we have a duty to protect our nationals, and not to feed  them to a vengeful and irrational "super-power", where his lawful rights cannot be guaranteed.

I too hope the European Court of Human Rights gives him the support he needs.  (And lets hope he behaves himself in the future).

Answer 11

Interesting question.  He caused a lot of damage allegedly and should be punished for it.   At the same time he showed the Americans just how poor their security systems were - which they really should be grateful for because now they can tighten them up.  Could that be part of the reason they're so keen to get their hands on him, so he can explain where their so-called security experts have gone wrong and tell them how to improve their systems?

It's not really so far-fetched.  At the end of WW2 the Americans did everything  they could to bribe, threaten, cajole and possibly even kidnap German scientists (some of whom were war criminals) who had been working on the German rockets to work in America.  Without their hijacked expertise, the Americans would STILL be trying to launch their first space ship to the moon.  

Answer 12

The same crimes commited in the UK carry a life sentence, so how do you figure it's harmless.  For all we know this guy could have been selling secrets to Iran.  He's a naughty little nerd and will probably spend a long time in prison for it.

As for the Chinese, you do know that the Chinese government is communist, and they still do employ many many spies around the world, and take an active role in global espionage.  The Chinese internet is moer like a country wide intranet, that is heavily censored and watched by the government, this can only lead to the conclusion that this was a state sponsored event, so of course they would protect their spies, just like Russia protects it's political assassins like Medved.  On top of that, there is not extradition treaty between the US and China

Answer 13

China does not have extradition agreements, hence the reason the Chinese guy got away with it, neither does Libia hence the Lockerbie bomber was never extradited. We need these agreements so people can be brought to justice.

Yes this guy should be sent to America for trial, if any American murdered a loved one of yours, would you not want them extradited to face their punishment. This is the same thing, get him sent over there.

Edited to say - This is a debate and that's my opinion, just because it is not the same as yours, less of the dumb!! It was actually a good example and it still stands. The guy did wrong, get over it.

Answer 14

He unlawfully hacked into their military system.

Why did he think he would get away with that and whats with the whining now. Do the crime, do the time!

The clever bit would have been to have covered his tracks and not get caught.

Answer 15

I agree with Clives' comment.

b'liar SIGNED up to this show of unity between the US & the UK.

might have something to do with a previously paid off war debt for WWII our government raved about 3 years ago.

ONLY to be immediately replaced with another vast amount we OWE the US, thanks to the invasion of Iraq & beyond.

The US may treat us like a lackey or their ally, but without us they'd starve.

politically & financially.

They have few friends left.

& what's One little hacker between friends?

If I was Mr McKinnon I'd be worried too, in the USA the EU/UN are not invited.