Give Mayweather his Respect?

Question

I am always reading some idot asking why dosent floyd fight Cotto or some of the other champions at 147. The guy has beat everyone you put in front of him. Castillo people bring up the first fight which was close but if your going to tell the story tell the whole story tell how when castillo fought him again he got smoked. Ask yourself this Osacr is the biggest attraction in boxing they broke PPV records and Hatton broung 15,000 fans to Los Vegas to see him what can Cotto offer but a cheap payday? Cotto Vs Mosley couldnt even fill the Garden and you expect floyd to take a dangrouns fight with a guy that cant fill seats. Sugar Ray used to always say I'll fight Tommy Hearns when he becomes a house hold name and Cotto isnt a house hold name. Give the guy some time soon as he beats one guy they have the next guy already lined up and Floyd hasnt even taken his gloves off yet. YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT FLOYD VS COTTO LOOKS LIKE WATCH THE SECOND CASTILLO FIGHT

Answer 1

Yeah I agree 100 % with you Bignorme... im sick of all these people who know nothing hating on Floyd. I mean I dont even like the guy as a person but as a fighter how could you not like/respect him. He beat every man they put in front of him. Pretty decent amount of named opponents on his resume as well .Now i will definitly order the rematch with oscar on ppv... unlike others im looking forward to that fight , the first one wasnt boring to me at all. But no way in h**l i pay for the hatton fight if that happens again cause that fight is pointless.  Also sick of people bashing oscar too or saying hes too old for floyd and has no chance , um he lost a split decision it dont get any closer than that lol. Look at hopkins 7 years on de la hoya and still performing at a world class level. Tired of the excuses that oscar is too old for floyd cause he is not. In fact out of all the current fighters at floyd's weight oscar/shane would have the best chances to beat him. Far better than cotto would ever have. Also your right cotto doesnt fill seats just yet he isnt a house hold name yet. I like cotto a lot but he is a bit over rated. I give mayweather plenty of respect just dont wanna see him waste his talent on a hatton rematch. Not like cotto is any better i mean cmon fighting gomez than mayorga this year. He is the one who should be gunning for cintron/margirito winner and being they are all fighting on the same night that should be cotto's next fight not mayorga.

Answer 2

i do agree with you and i really think that cotto will become a household name, many said that paul williams will present the biggest test for floyd and he lost to quintana and go hit with alot of punches, cotto destroyed quintana, i think cotto has the following of felix trinidad and i think after he fights another couple exciting big fights, including one against a big name like de la hoya or hatton, i think he will become that guy like hearns, and it hink he will eventually be a great figther in america.  The only thing i disagree is with that who can he fight that wants to fight him so he can become a star, de la hoya i doubt b/c hes fighting only 3 more times, hatton?idk because he is a 140 fighter, so i think that cotto will have to beat the best like margarito and htose guys, that wont make him a big name, thats the only problem and thats the only reason im quiestioning this fight will ever happen.  But good quiestion and i do agree on most of what you said but i think your underestimating cotto, he is way better than castillo and has way more talent.

Answer 3

It`s like this right now the man calls himself the pound for pound best and disrespects those that came before him, but yet we the boxing public need to be a little more sympathetic to his circus act? If your going to talk the talk then walk the walk. The other night Juan Diaz was Mr unstoppable lightweight and what happened to him? Mayweather has yet to meet his Nate Campbell but eventually he will or he`ll take the easy way out and retire, but he`ll retire with less then mantle he currently claims. If he`s your idol then by all means cheer for him till the end and look forward to the next challenge.

Answer 4

It's been a while since I have posted.....

You punctuated your question with a question mark........is there some sarcasm in your question?  

Your entire question is based on sales, but you do not touch on what it takes to get respect.  Back in the "old days", putting butts in the seats was secondary to earning respect from your peers and the public.  Those of us that have been around awhile know the difference and are likely to call a guy like Mayweather out.  

I will agree on one thing with you....PBF's career was designed with income in mind and to blur the difference between athletic and financial success.    

I want to see PBF fight Cotto because Cotto is a serious threat to PBF....not because a lot of people will buy the pay-per-view.  If this is the how the best is defined now-a-days, then PBF is the best.

Ask yourself this.........with all the talent at 147 lbs, why did PBF opt to fight the smaller Hatton?  Once you realize that it was ONLY for the money, then hopefully you will see that you can't buy respect.  You have to earn it.

As for Leonard......at least he fought and beat Hearns and left no doubt that he was the guy to beat at 147 lbs back then.  PBF has not done the same, therefore he will not get any respect.

True...

Do you have a point?  

Both Cotto and PBF have been been selective with competition to protect future earnings.  Don't be fooled by the PR in my name.......Cotto's management is part of the problem and I don't pick favorite fighters based on emotion or where they are from.  Cotto mixes it up in fights...the old school way.  As for Bruseles...that just proves my point.  Yet another weak opponent for PBF to pad his record.   In this scenario, PBF is supposed to be the "man" at 147 lbs.  Not fighting Cotto, Williams and the other real talent at 147 lbs is like me letting another man sleep in my house.  PBF is un-willing to clean up the division / his house.  Fighting Cotto is a big part of that.  

IMHO.... PBF fighting Hatton just solidifies that fact that he is not willing or interested in proving that he is the best in the business.  Hatton was not the risky opponent that a true 147 lb fighter would be.  I considered Hatton a safe pick...income driven choice.  I think less of PBFs seemingly limitless talent because of the choice.  I am like everyone else with common sense.....if PBF is the best, then prove it.  To me, he has not done this at 147 lbs.  I don't say this because he hasn't lost...but because he is consistent about making safe choices with opponents.  Everyone he has fought since coming up from 140 lbs has been selected based on PBF's future earnings and not because they were actually able to take him to task.  This is not the mark of a champ.....if you think he is the best, then you have been duped.  I still do not know who the best 147 lber is out there because the young guys are unwilling to fight each other.  Ultimately, it's up to PBF....he is a big draw and gets to pick opponents.      

I am un-willing to assign legendary status to a fighter that proves nothing more than that he has great management and money making ability.  I didn't buy it from DLH and I'm not buying it from PBF or anyone else, including Cotto.    

I just don't get it.......that you actually think that filling seats is more important than actual PROVEN talent.  Greatness cannot be attained through income earned........in the end the only thing that matters is the level of talent you beat not what you earned.  

Fighting an older DLH beyond his prime and winning by SD is not stellar or legendary.  The only thing the DLH fight made me think is that a younger / more hungry 147 lb opponent can take PBF.....particularly Williams.

True, Part II....

1. Why did Cotto team send in Bruseles in the ring with PBF?  

Your still on this?  Different promoters can't agree on a big fight and you think that this is a conspiracy perpetrated by Cotto....PBF is the draw not Cotto.  I'm sure if the money was right both guys would fight, but the "champ" is PBF and HE controls the issue.  This brings me to what should be happening.......mandatory opponents based on rank and not pay.  

2. Mayweather is old school, and is taught by old school fighters.

How old are you?  He is old school if you think the 80's was a long time ago.  PBF's style is defintely not remeniscent of anyone that is old school.  Even Ali was willing to trade some to get some.

3. You said Williams, "Please". Your probley a band wagon fan. Some undefeated guy come's alone and he's the man to beat PBF.

So you think that PBF can have the punch output he had with DLH and beat a guy with an 84" reach?  And who is the one on the bandwagon?  Did you think that the wrestling match was for real too?

4. Cottos has Judah and Mosley under his belt. Just like B-hop said, who else did he fight.

Can't disagree.  Both guys have been protected...but I already said this.  They do share an opponent in Demarcus Corley.  Cotto KO'd him, while Corley went the distance with PBF.

5. Now Hatton wasn't a risky fight. Before the fight happen, he was risky. That sounds like a band wagon.

See my previous posts about this.....all are PBF / Hatton pre-fight.  I picked PBF in 4.  

6. I guess Gomez is a risky fighter and a way to build your name. You could have save that one.

You're right...according to your rules........Gomez is popular, therefore if Cotto beats him, Cotto may be worthy of fighting PBF.  Insert sarcasm here.

7. First it was Cotto, now Margarito, Cintron etc. Why dont Cotto put the money up? You will never get that answer.

Arum vs Mayweathers new company.  You actually think promoters have any interest in making matches that will wear out their money makers?  I thought you had the economics thing covered?

8. Every guy they put in front of him, PBF was suppose to lose.

Really.......  Not many people had issues with PBF at lower weights.  The problem is at 147 lbs.  Guys like you that think PBF is unbeatable fail to see that PBF is beatable at welter.  There are guys at 147 lbs that have the tools....including Cotto.  You would have to be blind to not see the advantages some of these guys have over him.  PBF is not willing to make a deal that will put a risky bigger fighter in the ring with him PERIOD.

9. When he wins excusesssss starts to flood, like the Noah Ark. Besides Judah and Mosley, name any other of Cotto fights. I will ask you, who was he before Cotto fought him and who did he fight to get his record. Bruseles train with the same person Cotto trains with.

PBF gives people the ammo.  Fighting a smaller guy in Hatton speaks volumes.  With Cotto's style, many people think he is too risky to fight.  Couple that with a manager that is picky about opponents and you get Cotto's situation.

10. PBF is smart about management. He dont want to be past his prime, still fight because he didn't save any money. Thats how great fights look bad. Broke and now have to get back in the ring and get smash just to keep food on the table. PBF has 4 kids and Cotto has 3. If Jordan would have listen to you, he wouldn't have retired. Its call smart planning, not on the next reality show making a fool of himself. Class is out. Pr doesn't have anything to do with the fighters. Thats why its call one on one.

This is exactly why boxing is having issues.  Fighters that are unwilling to fight...literally.  Back in the day.....asking a champ to prove his worth was not necessary.  It's also the reason why PBF will not be getting the respect he thinks he should be getting at 147 lbs.

Answer 5

Mayaweather is the best pound4pound, no doubt about it....but remember the 1st Castillo Fight.  That was Very Very close and many felt Castillo won the fight.  

To be an All Time Great: he will need to fight the BIG welterweights like a Cotto and a Magarito to clean up the division and retire as one of the best fighters of all time....Hes the best fighter right now, hes not the All Time best however.

Answer 6

hes a p***y, De la hoya won the fight last year (should have)

Answer 7

dude u need to stop sucking the sweat of floyds jockstrap.

cotto would be the second biggest draw for mayweather if not third besides oscar and hatton. if floyd wants to be called a real welterweight champion he needs to fight a real welterweight . tust me floyd dont want any part of cotto. and floyd won the second castillo fight cuz he jumped on his bike and pot shot his way to a victory.

Answer 8

im with you bro de la hoya and hatton are top fighters yet as soon as mayweather beat them instead of giving mayweather the credit he deserved people just talk c**p about hatton and de la hoya to try dicredit floyds achivements unfortunatly there are a lot of jelous people out there but i think the amount of trash talk to mayweather actually shows how good he is

Answer 9

ok...he is 39-0...he beat Hatton (who was undefeated)...he beat baldomir who was naturally bigger...he beat de la hoya who was suppose to be the best fighter of our era...he beat arturo gatti (who before the fight they said would be so dangerous....he beat Judah who people thought his speed would negate Floyd's speed...he beat castillo

cotto cant beat him...i've seen him often and seen that he is flawed...judah gave him more trouble than he could give floyd..floyds defense is the best i've ever seen...he punches have radar location...he is the most fit fighter in every bought and he has speed that out classes whoever he is fighting

Answer 10

I give Mayweather all the respect in the world, I dont like him, and i would love too see Cotto rip him apart. But your right about Floyd, from a buisness sence to take a risky fight for little money, when you get eaiser fights for less money, its a no brainer. But a great champion like Ali, Robinson,Leonard,Holyfield,Lewis, would take the fight just to prove them selves, it was a sence of pride to these great champions to prove they can beat any son of a ***** in the house. And if Floyd is not willing to fight Cotto before he retires then i say he is not great.

A Cotto fight would be nothing like a Castillo fight. Cotto is much faster, punches must harder, is much more balanced, has way more confidence, is way less sloppy and has way better foot work cutting off the ring.  Cotto would be Mayweathers worse nightmare come true once that bell rang. And if he truly is great, he will pull through and win.

Mayweather is the best fighter in the world, but Cotto is his door to greatness because Cotto will push him too his limits.

Mayweather the buisnessman will never be great, But Mayweather the fighter might be able to do it.

We have made Mayweather rich, we watch the sport and love it, they owe us this one. We dont need it to be another Holmes - Foreman.

Answer 11

Dude you should know what your talking about before you open your mouth.  The only reason Floyd was able to sell out those two fights was because he fought Oscar who is the biggest draw in boxing today and Hatton who had the place packed with Brits.  I went to the Oscar Floyd fight and everyone was rooting for Oscar.  I seen the Floyd-Hatton fight and even a fool could tell that almost everyone there was there to see Hatton.  I give Floyd credit for being a great fighter but he isn't a huge draw unless he is fighting a name opponent.  A fight like Cotto-Floyd would be huge.  That's the fight everyone wants to see.  I'm sure if both fighters where to fight no name opponents, Cotto would definitely draw more fans than Floyd.

Answer 12

88 has some good points here as do others concerning Mayweathers mouth.  Holmes created alot of his popularity problems because of his mouth also as of course did Ali.  But when you look at Mayweather's boxing ability the speed he possesses to avoid being hit and the power he does have this guy is a force.  He is undefeated.  I don't care for the guy because of his big mouth but when you forget about that this guy is a great boxer.

Answer 13

Ricpr196 you probley dont know about long time planning.

   Class is in. First of all, I dont blame PBF for getting the money. He doesn't want to be past his prime, still fighting because he didn't invest. Thats how great fighter look bad. I like Cotto and think he's a good fighter. Ricpr, I want you to answer this question. Why did Cotto camp send Bruseles to fight PBF? Bruseles trained with Cotto and by the same trainer. You probley want answer the question because you cant get past being a Cotto fan. Thats not a champ, sending a D class fighter because you dont want to go in. If Cotto wants to fight, why dont he put the money up? Your probley want answer that question. Hatton call PBF out and he fought him. We should start a Cotto need to fight PBF fund and raise money. Cotto beat two prize fighter. Judah and Mosley. Fighting a guy off the contender is noway to build your name. Hatton can fill seats and Cotto cant. What's up with that?

Ricpr196. Why did Cotto team send in Bruseles in the ring with PBF? Cotto couldnt do it. Mayweather is old school, and is taught by old school fighters. You said Williams, "Please". Your probley a band wagon fan. Some undefeated guy come's alone and he's the man to beat PBF. Cottos has Judah and Mosley under his belt. Just like B-hop said, who else did he fight. Now Hatton wasn't a risky fight. Before the fight happen, he was risky. That sounds like a band wagon. I guess Gomez is a risky fighter and a way to build your name. You could have save that one. First it was Cotto, now Margarito, Cintron etc. Why dont Cotto put the money up? You will never get that answer. Every guy they put in front of him, PBF was suppose to lose. When he wins excusesssss starts to flood, like the Noah Ark. Besides Judah and Mosley, name any other of Cotto fights. I will ask you, who was he before Cotto fought him and who did he fight to get his record. Bruseles train with the same person Cotto trains with. PBF is smart about management. He dont want to be past his prime, still fight because he didn't save any money. Thats how great fights look bad. Broke and now have to get back in the ring and get smash just to keep food on the table. PBF has 4 kids and Cotto has 3. If Jordan would have listen to you, he wouldn't have retired. Its call smart planning, not on the next reality show making a fool of himself. Class is out. Pr doesn't have anything to do with the fighters. Thats why its call one on one.

Answer 14

they want to see him fall from grace.......how many times will he have to prove him self??????? the man earned his right

to retire unbeaten....applaud him

Answer 15

No doubt Floyd is the real deal(no pun intended) he has all the tools and does deserve to be praised, and Ali said it a long time ago whether they pay to see you win or to see you lose, they'll still be in the seats.  You are right on the money about Cotto not being a household name, and at this point I'm surprised he is not a fixture on Pay Per View, but sometimes Mayweather has been known to duck the best fight possible for the fans for whatever reason, mix that with Floyd's "me, me, me" attitude and that's where the respect factor goes down the tubes for him.

Answer 16

Why should we give Mayweather his respect is the better question. It's hard for me to wonder how PBF is still considered the #1 pound for pound fighter in the world, Floyd has held his belt at welterweight for two years now and has only defended it against Ricky Hatton. Unfortunately now he's still avoiding Cotto and we wont see him fight any welterweight, period. PBF has Oscar and Ricky in his sights, if he even fights anybody at welterweight it's going to be the winner of the round robin starting on the 12th. Floyd is only going to fight winnable fights, he wants to become an enterprise not a fighter. Look at it this way, Shane Mosely has to fight Zab Judah first, Cotto will have to fight either Cintron or Margarito (Margarito), then they'll fight each other in the winter. The winner of that fight is going to have three of the welterweight belts, Floyd is going to have the opportunity to unify, something he has to do in order be even considered an all time fighter. Is it going to happen? If it's Zab or Margarito, yeah. If it's Mosley, possibly. If it's Cotto, he'll price himself out of the fight to p**s Arum off, thinking he's going to have the last laugh, but he'll just fade off into obscurity as an example of what could have been.

Answer 17

Any person that says Cotto will destroy Mayweather falls under 1 of 3 groups.

1. You just hate Mayweather and you are letting your emotions get in the way of your common sense.



2. You know nothing about boxing.

Right....Cotto is the biggest name is boxing..That's what one idiot wrote on here. If he's such a huge name then why did a past his prime Shane Mosley give him all he could handle?? More importantly, what is he even fighting Shane Mosley!?!?!?! Mosley hasn't won a big fight in 5 years. And if you say Cotto dominated the fight, you don'tbelong on this website.