Gun fighting a part of martial arts?????

Question

wat do u people think abnd specificaly if u lived in new york city?????

Answer 1

Yes, you should know about the defense against firearms. You should understand the basic principals of how firearms are used and you should be trained in how to use them.

Unfortunately most schools do not go there because of the time and effort it takes. It becomes a whole art in itself. We teach only some basic principals and how to disarm a knife or firearm wielding opponent. Basically against a well trained  opponent with a firearm you stand little chance. Against an untrained thug who is intimidating you with a firearm the ods begin to get slightly better. Gun laws especially in New York make it difficult to carry a weapon. You should however be trained in their use and tactics for disarming. I prefer to not carry myself. You will have little time to take a gun out to use in self defense and in close quarters you need to disarm your opponent anyway.

Answer 2

Gun fighting is a part of martial arts. Martial arts refers to any combat system. But the modern term martial arts is usually attributed to MMA. So, I'm going to say no, not in the sense of the word(s) today.

Answer 3

I don't know what you consider "gun fighting". There pretty much isn't that, at least not like you see on Equilibrium or something.

Or O.K. Corral type of shootouts or the average street thug drivebys...

I guess it depends on what you define "gun fighting" as.

Learning marksman ship, stress shooting, speed shooting, etc. is indeed Martial Art type disciplines in themselves. As others point out Martial Arts is the disciplines used for war or battle.

The average spec ops operative spends much more time on the gun range then in the pit or working hand to hand.

The average police officer spends more time at the range then hand to hand.

I know disciplined shooters who are more focused, disciplined, dangerous, and aware then any "self defense" expert.

New York City, and New York as a State is pretty stringent about CCW. In fact the average person pretty much is not allowed a CCW there. They do not honor any other State's CCW, In fact, if you have a New York CCW from upstate New York, NYC will not recognize it.

You have to go through their own process which includes being able to pass a "needs assesment" meaning you have to show a special and significant need to carry a handgun (i.e. I am a designated T.S. courier, or I transport diamonds.. or am a private security entity attached to the UN, etc.) and then you are granted one for a limited amount of time, then have to go through the process again. Additionally you have to submit ballistics of your handgun...

NYC is pretty much d**n near impossible for the average citizen to up and buy and handgun and then be able to conceal and carry it.

That of course doesn't stop many citizens from carrying... they are just doing so illegally and subject to possible criminal charges of posession.

I guess first off, I would never live in NYC lol. Secondly I would use normal anti crime type of common sense: staying in groups, staying away from bad areas, not carrying excessively expensive or valuables on my person, keep my head on a swivel, staying in public areas, avoiding dark alleys, etc. and carry any form of legal improvised weaponry I could, but realizing that I would give in to pretty much most demands from an armed person.. Wallet and such aren't worth the risk of my life. Keeping in mind to not let them take me anywhere, etc.etc.

Honestly though NYC is very stringent, their Police Departments and the policies the Guiliani put in place pretty much have dropped their crime rate dramatically over the last ten years. A lot can be said for what a little more conservative Mayor did to drop the overall crime rate for an entire state. (NYC accounted for a large percentage of the State of NY crime rate). As crazy as it seems, 9/11 also helped tremendously, as it helped the city undergo some solidarity.

But keep in mind these same handgun policies have been in place for many many years when they lead the nation in violent crime and murder. It was a large investment in cleaning up the city that actually lowered the crime rate, and crime rates for NY post 9/11 show a huge decline even in the two years prior to it. It is actually really interesting to look at.

Back to the question at hand...

In reality there are few circumstances in which Martial Arts, or even learning proper weapon deployment and usages actually come into play. If I am armed and someone asks for my wallet, I am still going to give it to them.

I carry a weapon on the rare chance that I am in public somewhere and some nutjob starts shooting up the place, or some crazy jumps on me out of nowhere and I feel my life is at risk, or I stumble across a violent crime in which I can save or defend someone.

But even against an gun wielding thug is asking for all my cash, I am not going to deploy my gun and begin a d**n firefight and try to take the guys life. (I'll wait for him to turn around and escape, then shoot him in the back duh...jking of course).

In all seriousness, taking a life is a big thing. When you carry a weapon the pretense of your use of it, or deployment of it in anyway is to take a life in defense of your own. That is a heavy thing to hold on to, and a lot of serious thought has to be given to that.

But again I am not sure what you mean by "gun fighting".

Answer 4

Martial Arts means basically Arts of War.  Yes - guns are part of martial arts by definition.  

Archery, swordsmanship, knife-fighting, stick fighting etc. are all martial arts.

Think of the average soldier's basic training, Secret Service training, FBI, Sherriff, SWAT, etc.  These guys all use "martial arts" which focus primarily on firearms followed by hand-to-hand techniques.

Living in NYC you would have to be ready to be searched or give up your weapon in a lot of shops, librarys, museums, etc. unless you get a concealed carry permit.  You can be arrested and do mandatory jail time for carrying a weapon in many many places (subways, posts offices, etc.).  Concealed carry permits are hard to get, especially in a liberal state like NY.  

Personally I would focus more on un-armed styles, especially styles that include disarms and multiple-opponent training.  A lot of people will say krav maga, combat hapkido, systema...all are probably legit, depending on the instructor.  I'd look around for a good school and train hard - but just as important, don't go to areas where crime is a problem if you can help it.  I feel completely safe walking around Murray Hill any time of day or night.  But I wouldn't walk through northern Central Park at 3am...you get the idea.

Ask Judomofo about the benefits of firearm training - he's very knowledgable and more of an advocate for guns than me.  

Answer 5

i live in nyc.

the "social" definition of martial arts tends to lend itself more to unarmed arts and those that involve hand held weapons not modern day firearms-

HOWEVER the technical definition of "martial arts" is any weapon used in war.

martial arts is a term that (when translated from latin) roughly means the "arts of Mars" Mars bieng the roman god of war.

technically, guns, nukes, knives, enraged roseanne bhars looking for cheeseburgers are all weapons of war.

however in an effort to make "martial arts" teaching more palitable to soccer moms and not legislated against by congress, it opened in this country under the badge of "self-defence" and "sportsmanship".

technically however learning to PROPERLY use a firearm is a martial art- however that learning like any other art also includes learning its limitations and stregths and how and when to use it.

there is an interesting knife vid of how quickly someone can surprise and kill a gunman (police dressed) whose gun is still holstered. in every video- the gunman is cut in a number of vital places before thier weapon is unholstered not even ready to fire.

Answer 6

Bluto makes a pretty decent point, but forgets that there are still martial arts that focus on firearms use specifically. The art is called hojutsu (gunnery skills) in Japanese, and while there are many classical ryu (ex: Seki-ryu) training in musketry, many people have been updating the premises taught in these schools to more modern applications.

Answer 7

i used t6o be from nyc son an see it go like this martial arts [arts of war] and since a gun can be used gunfighting is martial arts and some dojos should start training in it mainly the ones that teach ''self defence''

Answer 8

I and my wife are in the process of getting everything around to go for our concealed permits. As far as I am concerned a gun is just another tool for a martial artist, the same way a armlock or choke is.

the main thing is to learn to use it correctly, and not think that it is the majic cure all. The self defense range in our state is 21 feet, and the average person can cover that distance in a little over a second.