HHO gas savers...ligitimate or a scam?

Question

Lately I've seen a lot of websites promoting a device what takes electricity, uses it to separate hydrogen and oxygen from water, and inject the hydrogen and oxygen mixture into the gas To me, this sounds like a complete scam, but there seems to be a lot of people on Youtube and similar sites who claim it works on their vehicles and saves them a lot of gasoline.

My question.....Is this whole HHO, Water4Gas thing a scam? It looks like a scam, sounds like a scam, and smells like a scam, but I'm finding it difficult to find actual, 3rd party reports. Has it been independently tested by a *reputable* organization like AAA?

Answer 1

Absolutely a scam -- and a much bigger scam than you (or most people) probably realize.

Check the YouTube video I've linked to before for some indication of how the scam works and then visit all the relevant pages on the website that it recommends you to visit (also linked below).

And ask yourself -- if it really did offer those incredible fuel savings, don't you think that at least one auto-maker, somewhere in the world would ship their cars with a jam-jar as standard equipment?

Your instincts are correct, don't become a victim.  And refer your friends and family to that video/website so they don't get scammed either.

We must spread the word if we are going to put these scammers out of business.

Answer 2

The problem is that it does work

BUT

It is a waste of money.

They science they broadcast is faulty, but the process is a real one. However, you have to get the extra energy from somewhere (as water is practically inert), which means you have to plug into the mains.

The practical upshot is that you buy a load of expensive equipment, save some money on petrol, and lose LOADS of money on your electricity bill.

Answer 3

SCAM !!!!  I read extensively about it and the science is ALL WRONG.  I studied chemistry in school so I know.

You should have paid attention in your chemistry class and all this would be clear to you that it is a scam.

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Even if you don't understand the science behind it to know, ask yourself this one simple question: if these devices worked, why don't the car companies install them at the factory and sell more cars?

Because they don't work...

Good Luck...

P.S. If you go to these HHO sites, they will tell you that the HHO become a catalyst for the reaction inside the engine. NONSENSE !  In chemistry Catalyst is does NOT react at all and just help other reaction.  Hydrogen and Oxygen in piston would be immediately consumed (and so by definition cannot be a catalyst).

Answer 4

you think it's a scam? stick this in your chemistry test tube and smoke it. Studied chemistry, how about studying combustion dynamics?

If it's a scam, then:

why do tractor trailers run a propane kit to inject propane into the diesel combustion, improving gas mileage?

Why is one of the main purposes of a catalytic converter to burn up UNUSED gasoline?

Why do we need oxygen sensors to make sure enough oxygen reaches the catalytic converter in order to burn off the unused gasoline?

Why is so much money spent on designing fuel injectors for better combustion plumes?

It's not about getting energy from nowhere, it's about combusting gasoline more efficiently, completely, and therefore cleaner. Why don't all cars have it now? it's a simple technology that will take years for car manufacturers to incorporate

cat·a·lyst (ktl-st)

n.

1. Chemistry A substance, usually used in small amounts relative to the reactants, that modifies and increases the rate of a reaction without being consumed in the process.

Is that what hydrogen is doing? The article below quotes "Adding hydrogen gas to the homogeneous fuel charge improves the ignitability of the mixture, and increases flame speed and combustion stability". I'd say the added hydrogen is a catalyst of sorts.

Answer 5

I think the jury is still out there.  I want to make a quick remark to address one of those quick-to-answer answers above and point out their fault in reasoning:

Loverboy wrote "Even if you don't understand the science behind it to know, ask yourself this one simple question: if these devices worked, why don't the car companies install them at the factory and sell more cars? [...] Because they don't work..."

Loverboy, please understand that there are branches in development and multiple ways to get from point A to B. If your job now was to put out a competitive product, with fuel economy in mind these days (quite different from 5 years ago) you would probably not go the HHO route, reason being that this is much too complicated and cumbersome maintenance wise, climate zone wise (your HHO system is going to break rather soon if you forget to drain the water or remove it from your car in the winter in -30F weather), reliability-wise, and perhaps safety-wise. A better way to go these days is to:

1. go hybrid by adding regenerative breaking and saving on idle

2. optimize combustion and engine efficiency (various possibilities here, but: atkins cycle engine ultra lean burn, direct injection seems to be the way to go)

However, this is all for NEW products. This is an entirely different subject on how to optimize OLD products. Nobody (who is sane) is claiming that an HHO converted 80s civic is going to be more fuel efficient than a top of the line modern hybrid subcompact honda.

Answer 6

complete scam. Listen to the guy above me he knows his stuff

Answer 7

I don't believe it is a scam, but there are widely overstated claims.   HHO gas can be generated from water using your 12 volt battery, and it is highly combustable.   Mixing it with gasoline/air mixture allows the engine to burn leaner, and as a result, use less gasoline.   There have been patents issued in the last 2 years that make claims about using HHO gas to supplement gasoline/air to improve mileage and reduce emissions.  Generators I have seen on the internet claim anywhere from .5 to 2 liters/minute of HHO. Fairly reliable sources measured 10-20% improvement in mpg.   The more HHO that can be optimally mixed with the gasoline/air mixture, the better the mpg will be, so the quantity created, the quality of the seals to contain it, and the method of mixing are all critical.    I believe it is real and we will see the technology more and more as it continues to be refined. I'm installing a system in a week to start experimenting with it.  

Additional comments/questions:

What is the optimal HHO/gasoline/air ratio?   This is key to understand where the output of current generators are relative to this optimization curve.

To what degree can HHO output per amp be optimized for automobiles through cell design and electrolyte composition?   The larger this ratio, the better, and I have seen wide variations of designs with significantly different results.  In theory, it is simply a function of electrode surface area and electrolyte conductivity.  However, I have seen some pretty large improvements with dummy plates added, apparently being charged by the active plates.

A low/no maintenance cell design needs to be developed for mass use.  The ones I have seen are pretty tricky.  This will happen with time.