Has anyone tried water or HHO injection?

Question

I've heard that for very cheap I could research and build and use a water or HHO injection system to increase horsepower and gas mileage in my vehicle. I've seen several people say they've used it with success. I've also seen people say it doesn't work. What I have never seen is people who have tried it that say it doesn't work, so that's what I'm asking. Is there anyone here that has built one and it didn't work? Also if you've used it with success please say that as well. And if anyone can give me pointers on getting started and where to find this info for free on the net that could earn you the ten point best answer as well. Thanks.

Answer 1

Water injection does actually work.   Mother Earth News had an article on it in the late '70's.    A drop of water was injected in to the engine just after ingnition to vaporize from the leftover excess heat.    

Breaking apart water by electrolysis (if using energy supplied from your engine) does not work.   I've never tried it, but did study in physics class.    There is no way to make a perpetual motion machine that has been discovered yet.   If you can get more energy out of it than you put into it, why even bother with the gasoline once the reaction is going?    The only way it could come even a little closer to breaking even would be if the Oxygen were to vastly improve the combustion of the gasoline.

Answer 2

I've read pros and cons about it, but the simple fact that you're basically squirting water into your fuel injection system just doesn't seem to be that great of a thing to me.  I know it's a process that's been around for a very long time and is similar to systems used in jet propulsion, but a car engine is a long way away from a jet engine.  

I was just checking this out a few days ago myself and saw a lot of conflicting information about it, so I think I'm going to wait and see what develops out of it.

Edit:  Apparently you've already bought the spiel, so why did you even bother to ask the question?  Go do your own research then.  I was just telling you what I found.

Answer 3

there is no such thing as HHO in the chemical world.  Some fraudlant people have given the name to a special, nonexistant fuel and they call it HHO.  In reality it is 2 parts very dangerous hydrogen gas and 1 part equally dangerous pure oxygen.  

You can research it all you want for cheap, but why would you.  1 million others have tried to get the things to work and nobody.  Oh you can put one together and see bubbles and activity, but all for naught.  H2 gas is low low in enegry in the gas phase that a house full of H2 gas has less energy than a cup of gasoline.  to make enough H2 to test, you'd need to run a large home generator.  You'd fill up the generators tank with 4 gallons of gasoline and in 8 hours you'd get enough H2 to runa Honda accord for about 50 miles!! great huh? 4 gallons of gasoline to go 50 miles, thats progress.

Ask the sellers of the books and plans for a gaurentee, in person.  You won't get it.  They will gaurentee it but you won't know who they are.

Here's why you don't see a lot of people saying it doesn't work, WOULD YOU TELL SOMEONE YOU PAID $500 FOR THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE, and when you went out to collect a toll on it you found out you can't and you got taken?  This is why its so hard to catch bunko or scam artist.

Testimonials you read on line are not real, have one of them come to your house, sell you a kit and give you their drivers liciences and business licience numbers.

Answer 4

Hi Bill,

HHO works, I enjoy it in my MX5, my best fuel consumption was 32Mpg, now with the HHO kit I can now achieve 44Mpg. The engine is more smooth, has more power and very friendly to the environment.

check out this link:

http://www.water4gaspetrol.com

Answer 5

Thermodynamically and chemically this system could never work.  To get H2O to break down you need to get to VERY high temps, like above 2000 C, wich would melt everything in your engine save the spark plug insulators and O2 sensors.  I suppose you MIGHT get a tiny bit to break down at the ignition point where the spark is, not sure how hot this is but its a tiny point and only lasts for a fraction of a second, hardly a power source.

As far as cooling the engine this is just silly.  The most efficient reactions happen at the higher temperatures.  If you could you should make the cylinders run to 1000s of degrees and get much more out of the very inefficient combustion.  This is what happens in a jet engine where temps are much higher and more efficient and where you might actually get sustained temps high enough to break apart water

I agree with others on this answer list....if it were possible why in heck doesn't someone do it?   What reason would anyone want to use more fuel.....we import 75% of our oil....certainly not a US person.  We use 20 million barrels of oil a day in the US, at $140 a barrel thats just 8.5% of the GDP, there are many industries that are bigger (housing).  Can't believe that 8.5% of the economy (of which only 2% is domestic) is somehow hiding and covering up everything......its about as smart as saying there is a cult of Yetis that roam the earth making sure no-body can save gas.......

Maybe if people put there energy into actual real science then things would get done, not follow made up c**p

Answer 6

The whole premise of the hydrogen booster or HHO is that it allows for more complete burning of the fuel.

Even if you took a mid 70’s car your hydrocarbons emissions were only (Federal 1975 emissions standard) 1.5 grams per mile. Even if we assume that 1.5 grams was all unburnt gasoline and if adding a hydrogen oxygen mix could burn it all you wouldn’t save that much fuel. If I remember my math there is about 3785 grams in a gallon which would mean you’d have to drive over 2,500 miles to make up one gallon of gas, and let’s assume you managed 20 mpg before they hydrogen booster, so you would use 125 gallons of fuel. If the hydrogen boost managed to burn that extra fuel your mileage would be 20.16192 mpg not counting the fuel lost making the HHO (but that's another story). And those are 1970’s numbers; cars today are much more efficient at fuel management.

The only way they make better mileage is to lean out the fuel air mix, but doing so will increase the temperature of the inside of the cylinder, this will result in burnt valves, pistons, and cylinder head damage. You won’t notice the damage right away it takes time so say in 5,000 miles or so you get the joy of rebuilding a motor, $2,000 to $5,000+ going without a car for a few weeks. In addition to the engine damage caused by lean burn and high combustion temperatures and an excess of oxygen (when you burn lean you burn all the fuel but you don’t use all the oxygen) cause the formation of nitrogen oxide.

If you believe the web site you would have to increase the efficiency of your engine by 3 to 15% or more. That would also mean you'd get much more HP out of an engine. If this was even remotely true every hot rodder out there would put this device on their if I have a 400 HP engine that would mean I would have between a 412 and 460 HP engine and works out to $5 to $1 a HP and that’s very cheap. We don’t see them because they don’t work.

Please save your money, it's been tested many, many times and it fails every time.

EDIT

You don’t know if he tried it, he could just be selling it. I have posted about HHO and hydrogen boost many times, I’ve shown how little energy you get back when you make hydrogen, it’s about 20%. NONE of the people who are pushing HHO have EVER come back to show where my math is wrong. I’ve shown many, many times where you can look up the numbers I've used from independent labs, text books, etc. In other words you can easily look up the numbers I used. While the HHO and hydrogen boost people post testimonials about how much other people claimed to have saved, never do they have independent lab tests to back up their claims.

When asked why their devices fail during independent controlled test, you get, “The government (or big oil) is stopping this device” or “the testing was flawed” or the one I like the best “the test don’t represent the real world, in the real world our device works”.  Sure the government (or big oil) is stopping your device, that’s why I can only find it on the web, in patent offices, in your books, etc. So the government or big oil sure isn’t doing that good of a job stopping this device. As far as testing goes, it’s funny how that standard tests work for EVERY device but this one. So all we have are testimonials from people we don’t know, can’t find, and can’t contact.

Here’s one testimonial from a HHO web site

“Our road tests have achieved 50% increase on a heavy 350 V8 van, 56% on a Ford truck, 107% on my Toyota Corolla, 285% on a Chevy 4WD pickup and recently 430% (this is not a typo) on another Chevy pickup here in California. “

The average efficiently of an internal combustion engine is about 20% so to get the 50% increase the smallest number claim in this testimonial the efficiency of the engine would have to increase to 30% to make the 430% increase your engine efficiency would have to increase to 106%, in another words we would be getting more energy then what is in the fuel itself!

But from your tone, you want to either want to believe in this, in which case don’t let independent testing stop you, don’t let logic stop you, don’t let the math stop you,  just send in your money and smile, or you’re trying to sell it; in which case go away we don’t need any more spam here.

EDIT again

From your other answers you clearly don't understand how much energy it takes to make hydrogen from water or how little hydrogen  you get from the devices you seem to be pushing. (yes I read your other answers) The amount of hydrogen you can produce from that small jar is very little, in fact it’s so small you only have to fill the jar with water every month or so. You don’t seem to understand the damage you cause when you run an engine lean. This type of device has been PROVEN not to work from many labs and independent testers.

This con been around since before the 1970’s it didn’t work then it don’t work now.

Answer 7

yes hho burns.but anything you squirt into you engine upsets the computer fuel injection system...

1..if it leans it out you may get more hp and mpg...while the engine lives...lean running causes heat whih distroys the engine quickly.

2 .if the computer sences lean it will make it richer....using more gas...

3..if it worked all the car companays woud have it... ie a 30 mile per gallon Hummer.

Answer 8

There is no such thing as HHO. That's just a youtube video that is really popular.

I will be injecting Hydrogen/oxygen into my dirt bike motor soon.