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Have you seen Ben Stein's movie 'Expelled"?

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Could the premise apply equally to "Global Warming"?

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  1. No I haven't seen it so I have to play off the other answers. Pathogens are rated as one of  the top three detrimental influences the world has to face. My conclusion would be; why is the natural occurring processes being down played by the scientist. We are being steered into a direction that that has no compensation for natural ecological dynamics. I think in this instance it would be...what we don't know as being more important. Singularity seems to be the mainstay of the alarmist. One fault one recourse, show me a instance where this has ever been the case.


  2. This movie was a Creationist Fahrenheit 911.  Nobody saw it, including me. The premise? Linking modern biology to the Holocaust?  How would this apply to global climate change?

    But Stein & Co. took some liberties with the material.  "With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."

    This is how the original passage in The Descent of Man reads:

    "With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."

    So if you tweak and twist and pull and push something enough, you can get it to say or mean whatever you want to, I guess.

  3. No, but I read on Washington Post that it is not being screened to critics.  This is usually the sign of a really BAD movie.  Be careful about  this one!

  4. No, I haven't, but I did see an interesting documentary about the evolution of the creationist position into the "intelligent design" position.  It struck me that the "intelligent design" folks lied about the premise they were putting forward.

    If the design is so intelligent, why does the playground have a sewage system in the middle of it.

    You can apply pretty much any premise for presentation to any theory.  It doesn't change the fact- or fiction-based nature of the theory.  Intelligent design is still fiction.  

    I know from previous answers you've given that you think AWG is fiction.  I don't agree.

  5. Fortunately, no, I haven't. I don't plan to, either. I can't imagine paying eight bucks to see that shlock. Maybe I'll Netflix it after its (hopefully short) run in theaters.

    I suppose the film's premise, that lying, washed up comedians/Nixon speechwriters like making films on subjects of which they have little understanding, could apply equally well to AGW theory.

  6. I have not seen it yet. I think it should be pretty good though. It will be good to see a perspective from someone who has an IQ higher than an African dung beetle.

  7. How did this movie make it past my radar??? Ben Stein is the coolest m/f ever!!! I think I will go the weekend after this. I already have plans this weekend.

       I have always wondered how any scientist could be an atheist, there are so many wondrous things that science can explain and so many more fascinating things that is can't. Frankly I have never seen a separation between science and God.

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