Help Deciphering Pedigrees..... Knowledged people please.?

Question

I adopted a yearling PMU rescue filly last year, and she is now two. I was looking her dams pedigree up on allbreedpedigree.com, and I noticed that a stud, named "Nick" was noted several times on each of the sides of the pedigree, including as sires and grandsires to broodmares and studs bred TOGETHER? I need help, im not sure what it really is saying so....

My fillys dam (Double Skip Silver AQHA 4181301:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/double+skip+silver

Okay its in Double Skip Silver's Great Great Great Grandfather's, Sir Colonel, pedigree where the same stud is noted everywhere:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sir+colonel

Look at the 5th and 6th columns.... Nick is noted 4 times, and another stud Sheik is noted Twice....

And if you look at Nicks pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/nick4

I know that the corresponding color boxes are the same horse.. so.....

I need help, Im confused. No idea whats going on...... I do know that

Answer 1

Agreed 100% with Rosie M

Many QH's trace their ancestry back to the same sires or dams many times over.  Linebreeding is a manner of breeding that is done knowlegeably to build the very best traits in a horse.  

If you have access to Western Horseman magazine, there's an article in it this month or last month about the old-timer's use of this method.  It might be helpful.

Answer 2

It means that the name nick comes from further back in the gene pool,  & that line has been carried down, on both sides it seems (obviously someone didn't do there research well)

When a line is strong portions of the name will often be carried down, take the Hollywood lines for example, you will find the Hollywood name mixed with other names all over the place. It can get confusing if you don't know what your looking for, that's why there is so much line breeding.

Wow, that answer sounded all over the place, even to me & I'm a breeder, LOL

sorry, think i need sleep, but I'm sure you get the drift, at least i hope you do :D

Answer 3

Looking at her ped's  she's got a lot of that happening.  Nick shows up in alot of her forbearers.. as well as a number of mother- breedings.  

Honestly though.. dont sweat it. unless you got her for breeding then your going to have to look Carefully for a horse without her bloodlines to get some genetic vigor.

Answer 4

You often see the same stud showing up in pedigrees, whether it's for horses or dogs.

This is because breeders don't reallyunderstand genetics and think that if tey keep breeding together related animals they will somehow 'recreate' a amous ancestor. It's called line-breeding and is a form of inbreeding.

Answer 5

This means that "Nick" was the gr.gr.gr.gr. gransire on both the top(sire) and the bottom (dam).  Common and sometimes desired!

like...

Blue girl and Red boy have Purple baby

Purple baby and Brown boy have Green baby

Green baby and Red boy  have Spotted baby

Spotted baby and Brown boy...  X baby

X baby and Red Boy....

see?

Man, I confused myself.  I don't explain these things good!

edit:  breeding mom to son....daughter to dad/brother...etc...is not a good thing though.  Distant linebreeding is better.

edit:  That's what I said Boo....and I went to bed after my answer! hahaha  I read it and said "HUH?"

haha

EDIT:  Your filly is NOT inbred. Those lines are so far back it doesn't matter..plus it's way back on JUST the dam's side.  You don't even know the sire's side of the nickel.

Look at my mare...I love her lines

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hankins+...

Look at the stud I want to breed her to:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/king+han...

Nothing wrong with any of that at all.

Answer 6

With horses it's NOT considered "inbreeding" it's considered "Line Breeding" and desirable by some breeders.  Doing this supposedly either makes an outstanding horse or one that didn't survive.  I have a friend who has done this for decades, she had a mare we'll call "Fatso" who was a tank of a mare and she bred her back to her sire and got a cute little colt we'll call "Tommy".  He wasn't a freak, but really wasn't anything outstanding.  She grew him up, castrated him saddle broke him and sold him.

But then there are those who still do this and will continue to do so.

Enjoy your horse and don't worry about the way back in the pedigree "Line Breeding"...