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Hijab And Modesty For Women

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With all due respect and as a fellow s**+'a Muslim I would like a non-biased answer.

My question is this, if a woman chooses not to cover her head or face and is good looking and incites passion into another male but not on purpose, isn't it not the woman's fault but the man for letting his emotions run wild, don't you agree that men have an obligation to not stare at or think about women in an obscene and vile manner?

Also, in the Qu'ran does it specfically say that a woman must wear a hijab or can she use another substitute and what happens if she refuses to wear one?

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  1. What if a woman's hormones run wild and can't control herself even if she sees a centimetersquare of male skin? Whose fault is this? ;)

    Shall we cover up all men for the sake of this woman, just like the desert Tuaregs do?

    What about this: children love chocolate and some can't control their desires and overeat and get obese. Shall we forbid all chocolates and sweets to protect children?


  2. Somehow we have been deluded into thinking that women exhibiting their beauty in front of others and men encouraging this is warranted. Many large corporations protect their shareholders from losses while at the same time producing cosmetics, jewelry and clothing that do exactly the opposite for our ladies. Money and vain desires are the primary reasons for this type of exploitation in the world today.

    It should be that we would be asking the question: 'Why are women exposed in public in a way that men do not even see them in the privacy of your home?' The problem today is that society is so far away from the basic concepts of moral and correct behavior that was originally ordained by the Almighty Lord of the Universe (Allah). As each year passes, we see more and more deviation away from the proper attire and behavior in public. Fashion designers, cosmetic companies and women’s magazines make huge fortunes selling the poor beguiled women on the idea of presenting themselves as if on display in a market for others to stare at them and then decide how they 'rate.'

    So actually, Islam has been preserving the correct and proper dress code, not only for ladies, but for men as well. In addition to defining the proper attire for the sexes, Islam also carefully instructs both men and women on how to behave toward each other. For instance the Qur’an tells us in surat An-Nur in verses 30 and 31 exactly how to act in the presence of the opposite s*x: (Tell the believing men to LOWER THEIR GAZE…) And then (Tell the believing women to LOWER THEIR GAZE…)

    So, immediately we understand that it is more than just the clothing that is desired. It is the proper respect and behavior of the two sexes toward each other at all times. Keep in mind that Islam is not just another religion. Islam (Total Surrender, Submission, Obedience, Sincerity and Peace with Allah) is for all people, in all places and in all times.

  3. Hi =]

    From what I have learned, hijab is more of dressing modestly and appropriatly than the headscarf alone. In the Quaran this is a verse which clearly states the hijab or veil.

    Surah an-Nur ayah 31 says:

    And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful.

    Well I guess if a female refuses to wear one, Allah is most knowing and he is the one who will judge her according to her situation and reason of not wearing one. With hijab comes alot of things. It's behaviour and attitude. E.g you can have a non-hijabi with better manners and personality wheras a hijabi could be way worse. So Allah knows best !! =)

    As for the first one = I have no idea. I think it would be the womans fault.... because the hijab has been placed as a compulsion and therefore by knowing the consequences she has to live with being sort of like 'unprotected' by a veil. And if a vieled woman is looked at like that by a male, surely Allah would know what each persons intention was, and who's fault it was..

    Hope it made sense and helped =)

  4. I Personally think its the mans fault for not controlling his emotions.  

  5. brother .. modesty is more attitude than things to wear ! in everyday life i see a none muhajabe girl behave better then a muhajaba girl and visa versa !! it depends on the person her/him self and how they were raised !!

    as for hijab matter Allah commanded women to be modest in the way they dress up !! he commanded us to wear hijab to be modest and protect ourselves as well !! also Allah commanded men to avoid starring at girls and to behave modest as well !!!

    when it comes to lust both men and women should be able to control it by being modest  

  6. Actually, in the Qur'an it uses quite specific terms that require Hijab.  The exact terminology, according to my wife who is fluent in classical Arabic and knows the Tafseer, uses a term that would imply Niqab.  Allah knows best!

    And as for it being the mans fault if he falls into sin by looking at a woman who is not covered properly... it is his sin!  But she will gain sins as well due to the fact that she is disobeying Allah in his command to wear Hijab.  And the man should avert his gaze, as we so often have to in the West.  Allah knows best!

  7. Both are at fault and both will assume the consequences:

    The woman will become both  vain yet insecure because she has people ogling her body all the time, will be empty and superficial because she focuses on appearences so much.

    The man will have unfulfilled desires that will affect his sexuality.  If he fantisizes about women he will never be satisfied, among other problems.  

    Here is an interesting article about lowering the gaze.

    http://www.55a.net/firas/english/?id=231...

  8. Salam

    Its a fact that some men cant control their Hormones (sexual desires).

    And Allah Asked for Jilbab in Surat Al ahzab.

    And its up to the Lady to follow the order or no (to wear Jilbab or no).

    No compulsion in Islam.

    But he asked both to "Lower their Gaze" weather they like it or no.

    Edit

    Dear Nimmy - I said "Some" wich means a small % . I didnt say "All" wich means 100%.

    Ofcourse there are Many gentle men like morad .. but i am talking about animals like men .. the ones who rape or keep fooling women by draging them to bed.

    Clear now?

  9. Modesty is in attitude,on how you carry yourself,your thoughts,your actions..

    I can see  some hijbis beaving as s***s thru actions of eyes and lips and walks...and some non-hijabis behave as if they see none around them and are concerened only about themselves and guarding their honour..

    I am not into "cultural or islamic"..but if a man lusts,it is HIS problem..Why would a pious or religious man stare at a woman's curves and get aroused..

    Edit:

    SARA dear,how is it a FACT that men can't control their emotions...Just trying thinking the other way..There is no "right" or "wrong"..But stating is as a FACT is just  a lame excuse.Tell me,will you husband lust at other woman's curves while you are with him?A true man wn't do so.So,does thta imply atht your husband is not a "real man"..NO,rather it implies that he is a decent man faithful to his wife..

    Next time you make such a comment,bring think again dear..

    no offence meant..

    Edit:

    SARA,yeah its very clear to me.But what I am telling is that ,the smaaaaaall % you reffered to should be locked in dark rooms and keys thrown away,instead of we women covering up fearing them.And moreover,such psychopaths will rape women no matter how much they cover or remain inside  4 walls..so its all menatlity of men and women that matters..clear??:-)

  10. well, In Surah Ahzab, hijab first comes for men in Quran. Lower your gaze, is something for men and for women too. Men should lower their gazes as women is an attractive creature. now when women doesn't wear hijab and exposes herself in anyways, then its her fault and for this she will be punished accordingly and at the same time when a man stares at this exposing woman he will be punished accordingly. so both will be punished accordingly.

    And yes In Quran Women are been asked to cover up themselves.wear hijab.

    Allah says (meanings in English) {and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc} [24:31] It is prohibited for a woman, who believes in Allah and the Last Day, to uncover a little part of her body to alien men (those to whom marriage is permissible).

    What is hijab? hijab should meet the following conditions:

    1- It should cover woman’s whole body. 2- It should be thick enough. 3- It should not be transparent. 4- It should be loose. 5- It should not be decorated as to attract lookers. 6- It should not be similar the dress of men or the dress of unbelieving women.

    Rest Allah knows the best~!


  11. I thought women wearing the Hijab was because they want to more submissive to Allah? What has man's lust go to do with it. Are you trying to stereotype into thinking all men stare at women's bodies 24/7?

    Sara: And women do not lust themselves?

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QO9uVBePoe...

    Take a look at these great Hijabis they are not lusting are they?

  12. if she refuses it means she is not following orders.

  13. the problem is,most people think head cover is hijab,,where as it is not,

    Glorious Quran clearly says for men to lower their gaze

    1. Only show necessary parts of the body [24:31].

    2. Cover the chest [24:31].

    3. Do not draw attention to yourself [24:31].

    4. Dress modestly [24:31, 33:59].

    5. Lengthen your garment [33:59].

    O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your

    bodies, as well as for luxury.But the best garment is the

    garment of righteousness… [7:26]


  14. If a man simply looks at a woman and her beauty has turned on his hormones, he has done nothing wrong.  As long as he is not planning to do anything inappropriate how could pure feelings, be wrong?  Its not even his fault that he was born with an attraction to beautiful women.

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