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Holy cow! Did you see the penalties to JGR's Nationwide program?

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  1. NASCAR has yet to get "serious" about infractions. This was blatant.

    I would really like to see NASCAR institute a "death penalty", much like the NCAA can hand out and did in the case of Southern Methodist.  

    Here's the deal.  I would make JGR park ONE of the Nationwide cars for the remainder of the season. That should make a sponsor happy, huh?  And, dock the remaining car  500 points.  Also make the remaining car start shotgun on the field for the remainder of the races and be last to pick a pit stall.

    THAT should get somebody's attention. Other than that, NASCAR isn't hurting anybody with 50k penalties, etc... Get serious or shut up NASCAR...


  2. The penalties seem fair to me.  JGR should probably consider themselves lucky that it wasn't worse.  

  3. Those are pretty crazy penalties, though I knew that it was going to be severe.  I never expected indefinite suspensions on anyone.  Imagine how much worse it could get when Gibbs takes his own action against those who are guilty.

  4. The only JGR driver who sould be in that series anyway is Logano. Cup drivers in the Nationwide Series is stupid.

    I am not a JGR fan, so I personally don't give a c**p.  

  5. It is the Busch league Like it really matters. Nascar would never do this to Jimmy Johnson or Jeff Gordon's teams.  

  6. I think the penalties were fair. Cheating is cheating and penalties should be given.

  7. It's ridiculous. And some people seem to think Toyota has NASCAR in their back pocket. Looks to me like they are trying to put Toyota at any disadvantage possible. It's ashame if you have to hide the horsepower that you gained back just because NASCAR would penalize you again.

  8. Apparently winning 14 of the first 25 races was not enough for them and they wanted to retain the unfair advantage that NASCAR had afforded them.  The punishment is warranted and should serve notice to anyone else that is thinking of trying to get around the rules.

    3 STR8 N 08!!!

  9. I've been saying it all along. It's not like they were exploring the "gray area". That was flat out CHEATING. It doesn't matter who put the spacers there. They were there.

    I would like to see them try that now in the Cup series now.

    NASCAR warned everyone that "CHEATING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED"...!!! That was the "BOX" they had to work with, just as everyone else had the same "box" they had to work with. NASCAR already "ORDERED" them to cut horsepower. This was an attempt to get by those previous orders.

    It's not that I am a Toyota or Joe Gibbs hater...!!!! IT'S THE TRUTH....!!!

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    As far as keeping the engine tuners, crew chiefs, and car chiefs I think you will see them get moved around in the organization. I don't think Joe or J.D. is going to let them leak info to other teams. He'll take care of them.

  10. Crazy penalties? I thought the punishment actually fit the crime this time around... How can anyone say that JGR was not blatantly trying to put something by the NASCAR officials? I say Kudos to NASCAR for putting the "Smacketh Down" on the JGR Nationwide program.

  11. A lot handed down but I expected more.  The owner of the team (Joe Gibbs) should have been slapped with a heavy fine.  The teams lost points and a couple $50,000 fines to the crew cheifs.  I figured JG wouldve gotten a little more.  

  12. What I do not get is they were trying to influence a dyno test and got smacked this hard yet when a car fails post race inspection the teams are not beat this far into submission.  I suppose though that the precedent has been set.  The next time Hendricks plays in the "gray area" there will be indefinite suspensions.

  13. I think it's wrong they suspended the crew chiefs INDEFINITELY. Maybe they should've suspended them for the rest of the season. What good are they to JGR now, can they use them as engineers, Cup crew chiefs?

  14. Wow they did hit them hard, indefinite suspension of seven Joe Gibbs Racing team members.  Ouch.  I know every one of the teams push the envelops all they can but to get caught and have NASCAR punish them this serverly means it wasn't merely pushing the envelope it was flat out cheating.  

    I actually feel bad for JD. I don't think he had any idea of what what going  down.  Sure does give them a bad name.  Your right Sally I could see some guys loosing thier jobs over this one.  

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