How Can the Arctic Ice Sheet Be Thicker This Year Than Ever Recorded in the Past?

Question

NASA has warned that soo the ice cap would be gone, yet the current measurments have the ice cap 4 - 8 inches thicker than last years measurments.

Do the record cold and record snows show that scientist erred on calling "global warming" a problem? Was their data incomplete, or did they use incorrect assumptions?

Is "Global Warming" over?

"And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.

The ice is back.

Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year."

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289

Answer 1

I'm sure Al Gore will have the answer.  Yep.  You bet...

Answer 2

To _ell with going green.Time to start selling mucklucs and parkas,below the Mason Dixie Line.

Answer 3

Same reason the ozone hole is bigger than ever despite the fact that the chemicals it was blamed on were banned two decades ago - it wasn't us.

But I still say there are common sense, unintrusive energy policy initiatives that we could embark upon that would happen to overlap with CO2 reduction efforts - there are dozens of reasons to try to reduce dependency on oil.

So let's agree - let's work on oil dependency, let's promote nuclear and wind, and let's agree to disagree on everything else, because I suspect that what we agree on is 2/3 of it.

Answer 4

The data is ok but models are not. The people making models don't seem to care about real stuff in any way but only what modeling can do. They put good data into a model and believe whatever comes out of the model. So, the model works exactly right but real events are much more complex. The model builders also dismiss any data that would perplex the model. It seems to me you need to have tunnel vision to believe a simple model that has been programed by people who have a adjenda.

Answer 5

As I have stated before, global warming is NOT scientific fact.  It never has been proven in any scientific way.  It is a hoax, plain and simple.

Answer 6

Because we have new instruments to measure the ice. Oh, and take a look at arctic ice coverage, it's shrinking

Answer 7

global warming is a hoax always has been always will be

Answer 8

The biggest danger to continued warming is providing socialist with more ammunition to usurp our rights and money, but I still hope it warms rather than cools.  Cooling would truly be a disaster.   Warming is only disastrous to urban leftists and perhaps a few dozen islanders living on atolls.

Answer 9

Global Warming is only an experiment means to control the mass hysteria that will be caused when the Earth's magnetic poles shift in 2011.  The governments of the world are just trying to manage the inevitable and global warming is more likely to be accepted.  Shhhhhh don't rag on them too much, they're going to need all the help they can get when the earth turns up-side-down in a few years and more people will be in need of Al Gore and Micheal Moore.

Answer 10

Many thanks to the folks a JPL who actually get out and conduct science.  They have been looking at Arctic Oscillation, which like ENSO, is not a product of AGW, or GW.  Trends in the AO of the 90's have lessened, bring back that white Christmas....just like the ones we used to know.

GISS has struggled with AO, limiting it's weight in forcing, and simply stating it is a forcing that needs more study, as their modeling could not reproduce it accurately.

Overall, JPL's continuing study is indicating that how the ice breaks up and circulates is a bigger factor in the volume and area of the ice than it's melting.

Now is it proof there is no GW or AGW, nope, can't prove a negative, but does it indicate the reactionary AGW crowd needs to take a time out, and actually attempt to understand what they are talking about.  You bet.

Answer 11

careful jello, you dont want anyone to find out that this article was paid for by big oil...

This is similar to what the SPPI stated.  The ice is actually thicker this year, and it snowed more in greenland than usual due to storms that moved onshore from the south, bringing moisture which turned to snow when it reached higher elevations... like usual.

I bet we will get " this is just winter!" from at least one person.

I am also glad the time is coming for the end of global warming.

dude what is wrong with this place... 5 minutes and there are 3 thumbs down.  Just for stating the simple fact.  I post this same info up here, from the SPPI a few weeks ago, and people bring up oil money, and the question gets deleted for "solicitation".

Its a FACT.  There is more ice in the arctic because there was more precipitation.  FACT.

This place is quickly losing my interest.  Yahoo answers is not the place for a global warming catogory because EVERY question that can be asked has the possibility for debate, which is what Yahoo answers doesnt want.  They want people to ask a question, and have people answer it, no chatting back and forth, and replying to people, something that isnt possible with the global warming section.

Answer 12

Instead of opinion columns, why can't you cite actual data? Can't you link to NOAA? I'll do it for you.

January 1998: 14.8 million sq km

January 1999: 14.5 million sq km

January 2000: 14.4 million sq km

January 2001: 14.3 million sq km

January 2002: 14.4 million sq km

January 2003: 14.5 million sq km

January 2004: 14 million sq km

January 2005: 13.7 million sq km

January 2006: 13.6 million sq km

January 2007: 13.8 million sq km

January 2008: 14 million sq km (just like Jan 2004, but less than at least Jan 1989 through Jan 2003)

The data shows GW...

Just change the dates via the drop-down menus.

Answer 13

That term has always been a government cover-up lie.  It's less of an atmosphere that makes temperature extremes.  Face it, when billions of exhaust pipes burn up our air, it lessens and changes the atmosphere  therefore temperature extremes (like Martian atmosphere) is the result.  Government lies, otherwise mankind would revolt against present pollution to the extent that government would be destroyed.  Thank God the truth will soon be told.  And if this is the reason for people to go to War, it's fine with me.