How can Ireland get to the quarter final?if they beat Argentina+a bonus point they still can´t do it can they?

Question

How can Ireland get to the quarter final?if they beat Argentina+a bonus point they still can´t do it can they?

Answer 1

Very, very unlikely. But not absolutely impossible.

If France lose to Georgia by 8 points or more (a freak lightning strike injuring several players, perhaps?) Ireland only have to draw with Argentina to get in.

If France lose to Georgia by 7 points or less, or draw without scoring 4 tries, Ireland must beat Argentina, or draw and score 4 or more tries, to get in.

If France draw with Georgia and score 4 or more tries, Ireland must beat Argentina and score 4 or more tries to get in.

The most interesting scenario is if France beat Georgia but score fewer than 4 tries, Ireland must beat Argentina by 8 or more points and score four tries; then everyone will be level on 14 points with Argentina having beaten France, France having beaten Ireland and Ireland having beaten Argentina. So the head-to-head rule can't resolve this and we look at points difference. That would mean that, in addition, Ireland would have to have beaten Argentina by more than 97 points more than France's winning margin over Georgia. We can probably rule that out!

If France beat Georgia and score four or more tries - the almost certain outcome - ironically it makes it easier for Ireland to qualify, because they only have to beat Argentina by 8 or more points and score 4 tries in doing so; then they would get in based on the head-to-head rule and having beaten Argentina. Admittedly, this is like saying it's easier to win the lottery if you buy two tickets in your lifetime instead of one, especially since nobody has scored a try against Argentina yet.

So the main hope for Ireland is if France screws up big-time against Georgia. Failing that they will have to play an incredible game against Argentina. (Actually, even if France do s***w up against Georgia, Ireland will still need to play well above themselves against Argentina.) It's mathematically possible, but incredibly unlikely.

Answer 2

They need to win, score 4 tries, stop Argentina scoring 4 tries AND beat them by 8 or more points.

simple right? lol

Answer 3

Well France (who's a point ahead of Ireland) will surely win against Georgia, and get the bonus point, putting them on 15 points. Argentina only need a losing bonus point to qualify while Ireland have to beat Argentina with a bonus point (in other words, they need to score 4 tries). Argentina have only conceded 18 points in three games so far. I think no chance.

Answer 4

Sorry, but if Ireland beat us is by a narrow victory.

Answer 5

Ireland must beat Argentina by a margin of eight points or more. Ireland must score four tries, but prevent Argentina from scoring more three tries.

Ireland and Argentina will then both have 14 points.

Under the rules of the RWC, in the pool stage, "The winner of the match in which the two tied teams played" will detrmine who finishes higher.

But, of course, if France lose to Georgia by more than eight points and fail to score four tries, then Ireland only have to draw with Argentina to go through.

But if France draw with Georgia without scoring four tries, then Ireland simply need to beat Argentina (forget the bonus points) to go through.

However, if France draw with Georgia and score four tries, then Ireland need to beat Argentina, scoring score four tries in the process.

Simple really, isn't it!!!

Answer 6

France have ten points Ireland have nine,that means France cannot be given a bonus point by Georgia you get five points for a bonus,four for a general win,and Ireland has to beat Argentina with a bonus point,if this happens the points table should read.

Argentina  19

France       14

Ireland        14

it ends in a tie but France still would lead because they have more tries scored,its mathematically and anyway impossible for Ireland to qualify,UNLESS UNLESS GEORGIA BEAT FRANCE which..mmmm.is in rugby terms impossible.but who knows.

Answer 7

They have started packing............

Answer 8

argentina rules

Answer 9

as the first answerer points out it's still matematically possible but unlikely.