How can i find my family crest?

Question

im trying to track down my family crest/coat of arms. my family name is morgan, but its the irish morgans not the welsh morgans. my family came from County Armagh in northern Ireland, near the city of Newry. i have found several morgan crests, but they are just for morgans in general.

Answer 1

go to familytree.com ok.

Answer 2

You probably don't have any. Coats of Arms are issued to individuals not families so you could possibly find an ancestor that you are related too that was issued arms but you're not entitled to use them. You can petion for a coat of arms or, if you did find arms that you are related too you can apply for a matriculation showing your place within that family. Although arms aren't normally granted to non-british citizens.

Answer 3

UK answer.

I am almost certain that Irish *coat of arms* are given to the county, not families. Here is a site with all of the crests pictured for all of the relevant counties. There are VERY few Irish families with their own *coat of arms*

http://www.heraldry.ws/regional/index.ht...

The name *Morgan*I have searched and it isn't even listed on the Irish names origins, it keeps coming up Welsh.

Hope this helps.

Answer 4

Here is an important fact: There don't seem to be any records that the Gaelic Irish ever carried Norman-type heraldic shields into battle. So Irish Heraldry definitely has a problem with "shield-centered."

Read :  http://www.heraldry.ws/info/article03.ht...

There is no such thing as a coat of arms being issued to "Morgans in general" all coats of arms connected to families were issued to only one male head of a family, it is only that particular family which has a right to use them, not everyone else of the same name, or anyone "in general".

Morgan is not an Irish name, It is a Welsh name, so you will not find Irish arms issued to a Morgan. even from the 1300s they would have arms registered with the College of Arms :

"While the Gaelic aristocracy at first assumed arms without reference to any heraldic authority, the registration of those

arms in Dublin in the sixteenth century was undoubtedly related to acceptance of English rule".



You need to trace your family history, to find out where your Morgan ancestor originated.Then you have to prove with documentary evidence that you are descended from a man who was granted arms, and then apply for permission to legally use them, the rules are very strict and can be upheld in the civil court of any country. Just because you share a surname with someone who was granted the right to arms does not mean that the right is also yours. The Heraldic tradition varies slightly between countries, but in essence they are all the same.

In the first instance the grant of arms was/is made to one individual and inherited by his descendants who alone may bear or use his arms, they were passed equally to each of his sons, each one added their own mark of cadency to those arms. The eldest son added a label – a horizontal strip with three pendant drops (during the lifetime of his father). The second son added a crescent, the third son added a five pointed star, the fourth son added a martlet, the fifth son added a annulet, the sixth a fleur de lys, the seventh a rose, the eighth a cross Moline and the ninth a double quatrefoil, which were then displayed on their shields to distinguish themselves from each other and their father, the sons passed their arms, complete with their own cadences, on to their own sons, who then added a second set of cadences to distinguish themselves from each other, their father, uncles and cousins.

When a man died, his eldest son then had the right to bear his father’s arms without the differentiation marks, the eldest son’s children would then add only one set of cadency marks, instead of two, and so on down the generations, the brothers of the eldest son continued to use the arms with their own cadency marks, which were later passed to their sons in the same manner, It all got very complicated.

Daughters also inherited the right to display their father’s arms if there was no male heir, a daughter could pass her father’s arms on to her sons. Wives, widows and daughters had a courtesy right to display their husband or father’s arms, normally on a diamond lozenge.

The original achievement remained the same through the generations, enhanced by the addition of the various cadences, however, the arms of more than one family could also be included on one shield. If both the man and his wife had the right to bear arms, they could be displayed side by side, called impalement, or if mixed together to form new arms, it was called compounding. One method was quartering, where the shield was divided into quarters, then, for example, if a man had no sons, his daughter or daughters inherited his right to the coat of arms, if one such daughter married a man who also had a coat of arms, her arms could be impaled with his, or be displayed on a

small shield in the centre of her husbands arms, their sons would then seek permission of the Heralds to bear arms, with their father’s arms in two quarters and their mother’s

in the other two quarters. With time the coat of arms could include the arms of many families and became very complex.

Dating originally from before the advent of surnames, the arms were in effect a means of identification, much the same as a surname. With the establishment of surnames during the 12th. And 13th. centuries, those families who already had the right to bear arms acquired a surname to go with their arms, once surnames were established and became hereditary, new arms were granted to men with an established surname, so it can, I think, be argued as to whether or not arms are attached to a family, or the family surname.

Neither were they (or surnames) introduced by the Normans for taxation purposes. The Normans arrived in England some 100 or more years before the first heraldic arms or devices began to appear.

Heraldry in Europe developed and evolved during the 12th.and 13th. centuries (1100-1200) Heraldic arms were a personal device, possibly for military purposes, or simply a display of status or vanity, it can only be guessed at because, today, no one knows the real reason. At first, arms were displayed without authority from anyone, but gradually became controlled by the Crown, through Heralds, whereby, men who could prove their ancient use of arms by their family, were granted permission to continue displaying them. Total control finally came about in the 15th.century, when Richard III

in 1484, established what is now known as the College of Arms, it still holds the

authority to grant or withhold the use and display of arms.

A crest was normally an ornament on a helmet and it was included within the family’s achievement (coat of arms) but later became used separately, as decoration on plate and cutlery, stationery etc.

If it is possible to access a copy of Burke’s “General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales” first published in 1842, you can find out if any particular family was ever granted the right to bear arms. It is unfortunately a fact that very, very few people, other than extremely well documented lines of royalty, nobility, gentry or maybe wealthy landowners, traders or other persons of note, can prove a satisfactory link back to that period. Generally, if a family is entitled to display arms, they are most probably still aware of the fact, it is not something usually “forgotten”. Today there are two types of arms, “granted arms”, which are formally conveyed by a sovereign, state, or other body with the authority to do so, these grants have legal status under the law wherever they are recognised. And there are “assumed arms”, which can be designed and used by anyone but carry no legitimacy.

http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comconsumerp...

Other countries have a broadly similar history of Heraldic rules and regulatory authorities.

A list of the relevant authorities is here :

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...

Sources :-

Among others.

The College of Arms

http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/About/...

And the book by T.Woodcock & J.M.Robinson

“The Oxford Guide to Heraldry”.

The surname Morgan traces its origin from the powerful Welsh family established c. 1330 by Morgan ap Llewelyn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_(sur...

Answer 5

Below is a link regarding Irish coats of arms.  They were all issued under British Rule.   The Irish do have clan arms which they can wear as a belt buckle.  



http://www.heraldry.ws/info/article10.ht...

             There is no such thing.

A crest is part of a coat of arms. Coats of arms do not belong to surnames.  You can put "family crest" or "coat of arms" in your search engine and find numerous sites peddling them like they belong to everyone with a particular surname. That is not valid.

They were and are granted to individuals and are passed down through the direct legitimate male line of descent.  

Actually, there might have been, for instance, 15 different men with the same surname, not all necessarily related, that were each granted their own coat of arms, all different. Some men with that surname were never granted one and their descendants are not entitled to one.   No one peddler that sells them will have all 15, no way. They just want to make money and they just need one in order to sell to people. The only time they will have more than one is if more than one person with the same surname but from different national origins were granted one.  Then they will have one of each and there might have been several of each.

The surname product business is one of the biggest scams around.

See the links below, one from the British College of Arms (they grant coats of arms) and the other from the most prestigious genealogical organization in the U.S., The National Genealogical Society.

http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Faq.ht...

http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comconsumerp...