How can this be taken out of context??

Question

How can this example of a horrific god:

Samuel 15:3 | Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep

Be so ignorantly put down by this person:

''you must mean the verses that are purposely taken out of context for mockery and insult?''

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Av8mBUA9voMz6rukrY9YIIvd7BR.;_ylv=3?qid=20080902080614AAJVPMI

Surely no one in their right mind can claim that was taken out of context.

Answer 1

Phoenix:

Haven't you learnd yet that "context" is the pet word of Christians who cannot defend the indefensible horrors committed by their monster god????  

Point out in black and white, the simplest FACT that unmasks their god as a vain, vengeful and vindictive tyrant, and BAM...'out of context'!!!!!

Your example is PERFECT. No way can anyone say those WORDS are taken out of context...especially since they were repeated over and over and over by the ETHNIC CLEANSING god of the Old Testament who insisted that ALL of Canaan must be ethnically cleansed so that his weak-minded followers would not be tempted back to polytheism.  That shows an insane god who destroys the innocent to mollify the guilty and the brain dead.



It makes no difference WHY they think their god was justified in slaughtering innocent women and children...the fact remains ONLY A MONSTER with no conscience would order the slaughters that he did. And only those with no moral foundation can EVER excuse it.  It makes him no different than Saddam Hussein or Joseph Stalin, or Adolf Hitler.

Congratulations on exposing one more bit of 'hypocrisy' from 'bible thumpers'.

Edit:

Discord7:

Wow...I am really going to be impressed by someone who claims to KNOW the bible but can't even spell Amalakites!!! There is no such word as 'Amaleks'.  But you would only know that if you actually READ the bible.

Furthermore the unwarrented slaughter of the Amalakites was NOT one isolated incident, but one of hundreds of commands by Yahweh for the Isrealites to totally destroy EVERY village, every town, every city they occupied.....right down to the ANIMALS.  Now you tell me how the animals could possibly corrupt the Isrealites...unless they REALLY, REALLY loved donkeys!!!   And how do you account for an addled god who claims that he will utterly obliterate the Amalakites, so that not even a Memory of them will remain, but then instructs his followers to MAKE A RECORD of it so it WILL be rememberd for all time???????????  Exodus 17:14 "Then the Lord said to Moses; 'Write this down in a document as something to be remembered, and recite it in the ears of Joshua. I will completly BLOT OUT THE MEMORY of Amalek from under the Heavens."  (Wanna try taking THAT out of context??)

Do you 'out of context' Christians EVER REALLY READ YOUR BIBLES????   If the responses to this question are any indication, sensible people can only reply: h**l NO!!!  The atrocities recorded in your bible are not taken OUT of context but are the very 'context' of that horrendous document.

djmantx:

What on earth does your propagandistic gobble-de-goop have to do with the question.....all it proves is that some talking snake was able to totally undo the PLANS of your biblical god....That would make Satan a helluva lot more powerful than Yahweh...YA THINK?????   The fallacy of Satan is that the plans of God for the salvation of ALL men were totally upset by a talking snake and a woman who had no DNA of her own, but only what she got from Adam's rib!!!!   WHO HA!!!!!!!  I Do believe in Tinkerbelle...I Do, I Do, I Do.

Answer 2

The reason God had tehm destroy them was because if they left anyone alive, in the future they would corrupt the Israelites. They Do leave some alive and the Amalek's are a "thorn" in the side of Israel. That's why God had them destroyed!  They were a paganistic culture not worshiping the True God

Answer 3

That's part of the cultural purity concept.  Kill everyone and everything, that way the blood lines won't be muddied.  People in Asian countries have the same type of concept.  Any child that is born that is of mixed parentage is ostracized or worse.  

Also those that are being killed have "turned their backs" to God, and do not worship Him or know Him, and the Old Testament God was a very jealous vengeful God.  At the risk of sounding ant-semetic (and I'm not being that way)  Look at all the c**p he had to put up with in the first place.  You help out a group of people, and all they do is ******, gripe, moan and groan about what they don't have....

Answer 4

It is simple, you just took it out of context. Why did God order the extermination of the Amalekites? The Bible is clear on this, it was judgment for their actions and to stop contamination of the Hebrew people to attempt to keep them set apart from the evils of the surrounding cultures. He intended to use Israel as a tool for this judgment but Saul disobeyed and was also punished. If you do not look at all of the relevant information then it has been taken out of context.

As for not being loving? How do you know that by attacking the Amalekites God was not being loving to future generations? You can not make that claim because we do not know what the alternative would be.

As for causality, of course God knows what the outcome would be, that is why he put a stop to it. As for the question of race, it was not racial cleansing, they were both of the same racial group. It was a judgment on that group of people because of what they had done and the path that they had set. God also knows if people will be willing to repent and takes appropriate actions in that case, look at at the example of Ninevah in Jonah for an example, these people would not repent and so had to be destroyed or they would wipe out the Hebrews.

Answer 5

Okay let's say this isn't loving. The Bible has many many many similar stories...Adam inherited death for eating of a tree.

The entire earth was flooded in the days of Noah.

How about the first born of Egypt being killed?

Ever hear of Jacob and Esau?

How are we also not being slaughtered?

How in the world could anyone worship such a God as  this?

I would invite you to KNOW him.

Let me say that God is absolutely righteous.

Let me also assure sin will inherit you death.

Still interested cause it's gonna cost you your life?

God is an eternal spirit and you are  temporary sinful flesh.

Why would you figure God created a being he knew given free will would sin against him and inherit death?

Why bother? Create life that chooses death.

I tell you that God is more than righteous but also is merciful but his mercy is not simply temporary but is eternal.

You are looking for some temporary satisfaction a little mercy for a short time that you can die in peace?

God has bigger plans for those who will accept it.

Sin equals death for  more than one reason.

While it is indeed a judgment it also is an eventuality.

Take a moment and reflect on this temporary existence you call life.

Every single thing you see is death. Even in birth you were born with a terminal disease.

Is this by God's design? Is this indeed God's plan?

Before creation of the first man Adam God had an eternal plan for his creation.

Let's begin with this first man Adam from the first scriptures God gave to man.

There are two trees in the garden. These two trees have more than a literal meaning. We are told that The tree of knowledge of good and evil is forbidden.

The day Adam eats of it he will surely die.

The tree of life is also in the midst of the garden if they eat of it they will live forever.

These two trees are obviously more than trees.

What is the knowledge of good and evil?

Where could a man gain knowledge of good and evil?

We get our knowledge of good and evil from God.

The law that God sent down to Moses is the knowledge of good and evil.

Why would God's righteous law kill man?

Because man could not live up to God's righteousness.

It is also the reason there was a tree in the midst of the garden called the tree of life.

This is God's mercy. Salvation through Jesus Christ.

This story Moses tells is of the two natures of God his righteousness and his mercy.

It is the story of man and his fall from God's glory and God's plan of salvation.

Consider the very creation of this man Adam was he created simply to die in his flesh?

God had an eternal plan for man before man was created in the image of God more than mere flesh that perishes but wiht an eternal spirit.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 1 explains God said let US create man in OUR image.

Genesis 2 shows how man is created from the dust (flesh)

God breathed life into him (spirit)

and man became a living soul (soul)

God created man above the animals more than flesh which returns to dust but with an eternal spirit

God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The same as you are flesh, spirit and soul.

Each are you and all are one.

Now how do we know this God is loving?

Because while we were in our sin sinning against him the Son became flesh to ovecome temptaiton as a man under law and to remain perfect that he could be tortured and pay the penalty of death for you.

Egyphile How would you figure that Satan has more power than God by deceiveing Eve?

As the Bible makes clear his head was crushed by the seed of the woman.

The victory over sin and death is through Christ.

Which is exactly my point in answering this question it is the Gospel the "good news" that Jesus brings us.

Answer 6

The Amaleks were delibrately going after the children of Israel after repeated warnings not to bother them. God finally had enough of their nose thumbing and made sure they understood that He means what He says. Their punishment is not indicitive of a lack of love on His part. They got fair warning, they chose to fly in His face..

No, the story you are reading was a specific incidence that occured during the establishment of Israel. It is not an all time exhortation for everyone. It is a lesson of history...If you had read all of it you would have also read the part where God forbids the Israelites from  bothering or touching any land OUTSIDE the boarders of Israel.

Answer 7

God is love.

edit:

Eric W: So killing Pagans is rightious?

Answer 8

Context is subjective didn't you know?