How can we get catastrophic warming when the oceans are cooling?

Question

Co2 theory says that catastrophic warming will come due to positive feedbacks of initial (and small) co2 warming. For this positive feedback to occur, it is essential that the oceans warm continuously. So if the oceans are cooling, how is it possible to get a positive feedback, and thus, catastrophic warming?

Answer 1

YOU HAVE ANYMORE HOKUS POKUS. GLOBAL WARMING IS'NT CAUSED BY MAN OR ANYTHING MAN HAS OR KNOWS. I'D GIVE YOU MY FACTUAL LINK TO START THE FIRST STEP TO DELETE GLOBAL WARMING BUT YAHOO LIKES IT THIS WAY.

Answer 2

Stl Luna: I am most impressed you could look up two acronyms on the web, but as a meteorologist needs a university education, if you wish to keep trying to pretend you are one, I would suggest you work on the English grammar at little more, as you sound like a 16 year old trying to impress.

“most here has no idea what ENSO or the ITCZ are…”

ENSO - Why do you oscillate so, you La Niña

ITCZ - Now I’m in the doldrums.

While there are many here who don’t know what these are, there are also a few here who not only know what these are, but know that “eric c” comments on the “IPPC catastrophic warming” is classic denier rubbish, which is why he couldn‘t post any supporting link.

Edit: eric c, I get that you are firmly in the denier camp, but c'mon the first image is a sonogram showing the whole world, oceans included, to make it simple orange/red is warm, blue is cooling, there is clearly more orange than blue.

The second graphs caption clearly states

"Image at right: Graph of global annual surface temperatures relative to 1951-1980 mean temperature. Air and ocean data from weather stations, ships and satellites."

If it says "ocean data" then I assume it is not just land data?

Answer 3

The oceans aren't really cooling.

What's happening is that global warming is affecting circulation, and bringing cold deep water to the surface.

This may cause some local cooling effects.  A few scientists think it may even be enough to cause average temperatures globally to slow their rate of rise for a short time.  Most don't.

But even the ones who do think this say it is just a temporary phase.  Whereas the positive feedbacks (melting ice exposing dark ground, possible release of methane from permafrost, etc.) have much longer time scales.

That's how warming will become catastrophic.  It's not a question of if, just when.

Note that, while the question itself is not unreasonable, the people who support this question say such things as "CO2 cannot cause warming" and that most all scientists aren't "smart enough to understand this".  Somehow I don't find those arguments convincing.

Answer 4

Have you not heard the news. The global warming folks have postponed the warming for another 12 to 20 years due to "Natural Cooling". It gives them another chance to be right. They need it since they were wrong this time.

Answer 5

The heat content of the oceans is (about )1000 times the heat content of the atmosphere.  To think a one degree rise in temps has any effect on the oceans at all is absurd.  The oceans drive the climate.  It ain't the other way.

Answer 6

Come again?

Answer 7

How can there be cooling of the oceans,now that they've totally dried up.

Didn't you get the E-mail about that?

Answer 8

These changes are cyclical.   They are not a constant because of the myriad of environment effects on top of the weather patterns....  most here has no idea what ENSO or the ITCZ are... lol and they understand climate change.. hahahah

You cant even argue with these jokers because they are not smart enough to understand weather anyhow.   I've been doing this for almost 30 years and I get people telling me about manmade global warming and they have liberal arts degrees...  not gonna work guys...

Answer 9

Those who came up with the theory (Al Gore and his "scientists") erred badly.

It takes 282 ppm. of CO2 to raise the temperature of the atmosphere by one degree.  If we burned ALL our fossil fuels on earth we would  just barely achieve this.  So...the CO2 problem comes from elsewhere.  But CO2 does not increase in the atmosphere until AFTER a temperature change.  It is a result, not a cause.  That's the error, or lie.  A cooling ocean will lower CO2, a warming ocean will increase the CO2.  CO2 in itself reacts to temp. change, but can't cause it.

Whether the oceans cool, warm or stay the way they are, nothing will change dramaticly or permanently.

Answer 10

GEEWHIZ, seen you on a lot of these answers and you keep typing with caps lock on and rambling.  What exactly are you trying to say?  I genuinely want to know.

Answer 11

ok smartass, how can our oceans are cooling but the sea ice are melting?