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How can you convince me,Having children is any different than any other hobby one chooses to pursue? ?

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Why is it that the expensive ,time consuming, luxury ,hobby of having children should deserve any more subsidy than the hobbies others feel just as passionate about ?

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  1. If your parents thought that how would you  have felt? I guess your parents did a bad job raising you and your brothers. That's why your confused.  I feel sorry for your mother!


  2. I agree with something I personally interpret from your point, PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.

    This is my point of view: there are many people irresponsibly having children whom they cannot adequately care for, or that others have to "maintain" for them. This is not fair for these children whom did not ask to be brought into this world under these conditions, nor for those whom did not participate in the act that conceived them or chose to have this responsibility.

    Now to address the point of having children as a hobby... for some people, it seems to be more of a lucrative pastime than a responsibility, for others having unprotected s*x as they please, making babies and giving them up. While for others, it seems more of a selfish aim at "fulfilling" themselves or having them around as a luxury (as you said), and so on... each has their own motive or reason (this is not to say that ALL or even most people/parents have done or do this).

    I won't try to convince you that having children doesn't seem something like a hobby for some people, unfortunately this is evidenced by the vast amount of neglected and/or "caged" children we have among us.

  3. cause they are the future... we need them

  4. How can you convince me that you are mature enough to have children? Really you don't deserve them until you grow up.

  5. Because we aren't talking about a hobby. Children are people, in case you weren't aware - little human beings who have needs just like adults do. And sometimes people need a hand providing for them. It's not like asking the government to help you buy a few new motorcycles because you're an enthusiast and you want to collect but can't. In some cases it's asking for a bit of help so your children don't starve while you look for a new job.

    Further, having kids isn't a luxury. Owning a Lotus Exige is a luxury. Having kids is a normal part of life, something that everyone can do whether they are fabulously wealthy or dirt-poor.

  6. Um, well,

    I think most importantly, you're responsible for

    another soul, and making sure that soul has

    the skills to make its way in this world, and

    hopefully make this world a better place.

    Can you say that about knitting???

    It's about a sanctity of life, and respect

    for life.

  7. It's a lifelong commitment. At least with a hobby, if it is not working out then you can change. But once you have a child then that's it. You are stuck. Don't like it? Too bad, it's yours forever.

    I don't have children but I do have fur babies. They are a big commitment and expensive. I rescued a kitten and it's cost $520 in vet bills.

    edit: Find a way to generate income off your hobbies and you should get some kind of tax deduction.

  8. If you think that having children can be compared to having a hobby you are not ready to have kids. Having your own child it is much more than you can ever imagine. A child is your blood, an extension of your body and soul, a dependent, innocent little creature of your own, your eyes, your voice, your movement, your smile, your heartbeat the reason to be on this planet, to share your feelings, beliefs and your hobby with.

  9. Hmmm...collecting stamps....raising a child....?

    Which hobby do I choose?

  10. The child is the most precious gift in this life.

    There is nothing like a child.

    My son gave meaning to my life, and nobody can make me as happy as he does.Only the parent knows the value of a child.

    Nobody can convince me that there is something more precious than a child.  

  11. Mmmmm okay well

    Humans have feelings, emoticians, they are living creatures they deserve by law and in my beleif the right to have every thing they need to stay alive grow and develop and also if there wingy then it helps to buy them toys!!

    Also they are the future of the world,

    But hey there not for every one kids may be the most important thing to one person and stamp collecting to another and thats why we have freedom of choice but i mean stamps sont need food schooling ect and stamps wont look for social welfare if the cant get a job because of no education  

  12. Human beings are not motorcycles - we need them to continue the species.   The new generation is needed to work, provide services, pay into social security, etc.....

    What are these subsidy's I keep hearing about anyway?

  13. EWA S:

    I don't need you kids or anyone else's.

    They are future .... what a tired hack line.

    If you can't care for your kids, you shouldn't have had them.

    If you can't care for your kids, and they die, I'm sure people will make more.

    Everyone else:

    "Kids are a responsibility"

    The parents responsibility, not mine, or anyone else's.

    Why do people think others should care for their offspring?

  14. Ignorance is bliss and you must of been raised a  broken person.

    I feel sorry for you for your parents taught you nothing more then you were a hobby to be put on the shelf to be played with only when they had nothing else to do.

    That you were only a hobby never to be in the limelight, but only a hobby.

    Sad thing of it is you children who grow up damaged treat your own children the same way, only a hobby!


  15. having children as a Hobby? wow. never considered that one as a hobby

  16. Well, implies you are responsible for other life, which doesn't happen just with a hobby.


  17. Because with "hobbies" you can stop doing them at any time and pursue another.  Having children is an 18+ year commitment that cannot be compared to scrap-booking or knitting.  You are dealing with a human life not some hamster.  Even if you are comparing it with raising Thoroughbred horses, you can sell them anytime and get out of the hobby but with children it is a responsibility and joy that continues throughout their lives.

    I believe that is why it is so different.

  18. I would say that it's not exactly a hobby, because a hobby you can make time for and then ignore, children are 24/7. But it's a choice, a luxury for some, should never be a neccesity or a chore.

    But if someone bought an animal like a dog or cockatoo and they didn't ave time to look after it, or were paying for it's food and care by other tax payers people would say 'hw irresponsible!', what's the difference with kids?

    I'll stick to feathered and furry babies!

  19. Children are living things. As much as I don't want them, you can't deny that human beings deserve more attention than, say, a  

  20. You are molding a life by having children not a lump of clay to set on your mantle. There is a huge difference. With way more responsibilities.

  21. If you think having kids is a hobby then you are either relating your opinion to some messed up people or you are pretty messed up yourself!

    Sports can be a hobby. Chess is a hobby. Kids are a responsibility.

  22. Hobby, schmobby!  What a rotten attitude you have.

    Survival of the species is hardly a "luxury."

  23. Well my daughter is not a hobby to me. she is the most important person in my life right now. she has brighten up my life. she has given me a reason to live. she makes me want to wake up every morning.

    A hobby? how can you compare a child to a hobby? how can you say a little baby who needs you to help them grow. take care of them how can you compare a hobby which i do till i am bored. with a child you can't give up on them. i must admit a lot of parents do this. a lot of parents don't take care of them like they should. maybe to them the kids are their hobby. the parents I know love and take care of their kids and would really take offense to anyone calling their kids a hobby.

    Oh and BTW your last statement " I have no issue with children in the slightest, only the issue of who pays for them."

    I pay for my child. so YOU don't have an issues with that. she is MY child and I will take care of her. I don't have my hands in your wallet or any other tax payers. I work to support her so I guess we have NO issues. so God Bless

  24. Hobbies you can set aside when you get bored with them or no longer want to deal with it or when you don't have time.....you CANNOT do that with a child.  If we put aside our children when we get tired or don't have time then what kind of world would that lead to?  I would hope that people see having and raising children as a life experience and a responsibility not just a mere hobby.  Hobbies are how we spend our spare time...raising our children is how we spend a life time!  

  25. Because when you are dead, ships in a bottle won't keep building themselves, stamps wont keep collecting themselves, comic books won't keep collecting themselves, art ruins, pictures fade but your children will live on and have children themselves, and you will have an effect on the future

    I know what you are going to say Shakespeare, Einstein, newton, etc but the odds that someone's kids will live to have kids is far far far far greater then the odds that they will make a discovery that will be remembered 10 years later let alone 100 or 1000

  26. See they are the future blah blah blah… Yet how many kids get left behind? How many get mistreated? I do NOT think it is imperative for everyone to have children, if that is what you want fine; if you are stable and can support this child fine. But why does everyone have to have a child? Everyone tells me I will change my mind by the time I am 30 and that really peeves me. The fact of the matter is I do not want children, why can’t people just accept that? I think it would be more selfish of me to bring a child into this life I ultimately didn’t want. I don’t judge the people that have children and want to live that way, but don’t judge me and say I am not a woman if I choose not to. Arg it’s all I hear.  

  27. Ryde On, they are humans, not motorcycles, cars, scrapbooks, tennis....

    They are people who  (if raised properly) will grow up to  become contributing members of society.

    Edit:  Because if a child doesn't have an adequate home, food, medical care....well, they will suffer physically, emotionally.....  They are live human beings with needs, Ryde On.

    Edit:  Vlad, how kind of you to consider my children or other peoples children as "replacable".   You're sense of compassion and humanity astounds me.

    You may not need them now but one day if you are in a nursing home you will see the importance of the young man or woman who cares for you, bathes you, feeds you.....

  28. I can't wait for the answers to this one. lol

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