How can you prove that Shia'a do not worship Ali Radi Allah Anh?

Question

long time ago I asked a question about the meaning of the word "worship" but as usual have not got any straight answer, I am trying to get one now!

-Let's assume that worship means pray! Shia'a do pray for Ali and use is grave as Qibla! they pray for his grave and the mention him in prayer of Ziyara (visiting his grave) more than Allah! (yes I counted his name in the prayer)

-Let's assume that worship means make Dua'a! do I need to explain how much they ask Ali? simply they ask him more than Allah!

-Let's assume that worship means obey! they obey Ali's fabricated Hadiths even when it's against Quraan!

-Let's assume that worship means love! they cook food in Ashura'a on Ali's behalf but they never do it for Allah!

Now can you prove to someone like me that Shia'a do not worship Ali Radi Allah Anh?

Answer 1

Not any more than you can prove that you don't really worship Satan.

Answer 2

Thnx for that question Sina!! Let us see the shias' (lame) answers.....Like.....Allah only be the judge....etc etc etc....!!!

d**n it!

We ALL know that Allah only knows best!!! We know that! Plz, for Allah's sake, lets stopt with those cowardly/lame answers!

Why did Allah gave us a quran then?????!!!!

If Allah did not want us to judge, then WHY did He gave us a quran, and a way of life......Else, He would have brought us to earth, let us live according to our own comprehension, and then on the day of judgement see to it! BUT, as anybody with common sense here, can already guess, if that were the case, then there would have been anarchy/chaos on earth!!!!!!!!

When a murderer murders someone, we would have to say that....."Let Allah be the judge"

When a rapist rapes an innocent woman....."Let Allah be the judge"

When Israel/any other state makes muslims suffer, we would have to say....:"Let Allah be the judge"

So, JUST saying that Allah is the judge is insufficient! WE HAVE TO THINK ALSO! ALLAH, IN HIS BOUNTEOUS CLEMENCY AND MERCY, GAVE US A BRAIN TO REFLECT. HE ALSO GAVE US A QUARN TO ESTABLISH LAWS, AND DECIDE WHAT IS RIGHTEOUS AND WHAT IS NOT!!!! QURAN IS A WAY TO DISTIGUISH BETWEEN FALSEHOOD AND TRUTH!!!!! PROPHET MUHAMMAD(SAW) WAS HERE TO SHOW US HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE LAWS.....

SO, LET US TAKE OUR RESPONSIBLITY TO MAKE NECESSARY RESEARCH(AS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO), AND LET US SHUN THE BAD, AND PROMOTE THE GOOD! WE ARE UMMATUL WASSAT- THE PEOPLE OF THE JUST!!!

Inshallah,

Wassalaam!

Answer 3

Your arguments are fallacious for you do not understand the meaning of worship.

1. "Let's assume that worship means pray! Shia'a do pray for Ali"

The Holy Quran says:

"O my Lord! Forgive me, my parents, all who enter my house in Faith, and (all) believing men and believing women: and to the wrong-doers grant Thou no increase but in perdition!"

Does the Quran telling us to pray for our parents mean that we are worshiping our parents?

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2.  "Let's assume that worship means make Dua'a! do I need to explain how much they ask Ali? simply they ask him more than Allah!"

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah's forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful." (4:64)

I guess Allah (swt) wants us to worship the Messenger (saw) when we wrong ourselves by asking forgiveness

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3.  "Let's assume that worship means obey! they obey Ali's fabricated Hadiths even when it's against Quraan!"

The Holy Quran tells us:

"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority;" (4:59)

Is the Quran promoting worship of other than Allah (swt)?

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4.  "Let's assume that worship means love! they cook food in Ashura'a on Ali's behalf but they never do it for Allah!"

"Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful." (42:23)

Allah (swt) is telling the Prophet (saw) to ask the believers to worship his kin right?

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5.  "mention him in prayer of Ziyara"

Ziyara in Arabic means visitation.  It is not prayer that you recite when you visit someone it is a greeting (i.e. salaam).

"But if ye enter houses, salute each other - a greeting of blessing and purity as from Allah. Thus does Allah make clear the signs to you: that ye may understand." (24:61)

I guess Allah (swt) wants us to worship each other when we enter each other's houses.

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I mean its absurd to equate worship with concepts and words that mean other than worship.  Wow I am amazed at the lack of intelligence possesed by you.

Answer 4

to answer "me is mary " sunni do not celebrate mohamed saws birthday just because he said so in the sunna and to do not celebrate anyone birthday

Answer 5

any time the truth is told about the hadiths and koran are quoted to prove it. they are deleted. so to learn about ali. google or look up bukhari vol.5 number 637. see what kind of person ali was. books are made to be read. no other purpose  for them exist.so please! read this hadith.

Answer 6

Muslims includes sunni and shia'a, and as for me I believe sunni's right, and shia'a are doing some weird rituals, yes they do.

but I'm afraid that opposing that question may cause some kind of 'clash' between Muslims [sunni and shia'a] exactly like saying who's right in Christianity...orthodox, protestant or Catholic ?

And as you can see that shia'a are doing some weird rituals so why don't you believe in sunni and case closed,

I'm not afraid of talking, and I'm open to discussion but it's no use thinking about the dark side when you are already on the clear bright side.

Answer 7

can i just ask a q here ..

ur babbling on about stuff we do for imam ali(as)

but what do sunnis do for muhammed(Saww) ?

they dont even celebrate rahsools birth .. so ..

and we dont pray to imam ali(as) you got that wrong sorry:)

Answer 8

i cant bcz i am not a s**+'s and i don't even get them, their weird

Answer 9

if you ask someone other than God then it is clear shirk.

shia call ya ali insted of ya Allah and thats clear shirk

Answer 10

I bear witness that there is no God But Allah.

These are words that any true s**+'i will have said and will believe in as any other Muslim does. This concept of Tawhid is the first of the 5 articles of faith in the s**+'ite school of thought and is a universal concept amongst Muslims.

No matter how hard you try and no matter how much of your time you waste, you will not change the fact that s**+'a are Muslims and are muwahideen and i know this is killing you inside because you can't do anything about it. i feel sorry for you and all those who think like you and i honestly hope that for your sake, you will wake up from this stupid lie your living.

Answer 11

Because I do not. Period. If you want to have a serious, open-minded discussion about s**+'a, you can click on my name and contact me and I will be more than happy to answer any question you may have.

Answer 12

- about that- sunnis do that as well - ive seen it done on prophet yahyas grave- and ziyara is not prayer!

-theres alot of duas so u cant compare- and we say for the sake of ali (AS) not ali (AS) himself

-erm...werent u the person who told me that we dont have any authentic hadiths....so how can you prove that..and erm no we dont!

- ashura deals with Imam Hussain(AS) not Ali..and im not sure about that as my family dosnt - last time i went on a march and yh mosque before that so yh not sure

blah- believe what you want...i do not worship ali(AS)...thats haram:-P