How do I obtain Proof of Ownership on a mare I bought with no papers?

Question

I have a gorgeous paint with 2 blue eyes. She didn't come with papers. Girl who sold her to me said she is a registered unpapered horse. I'm not totally sure what that means. I have tried to trace down her parents and birthday. The seller said my mare is 10 yrs old and my vet says she looks no way older than 6 years old by the teeth.

Anyways, I am trying to create proof of ownership. What do I need to do? Also is there anyway I can trace down her parents and birthday?

Do I need to be a member of APHA and AQHA to do this? If a member, would it even be possible to find out who her parents are and her age?

Answer 1

You should have a receipt of sale from when you brought her. And the previous owner should know who her sire and dam is. If you can get the name of them you can get access to the stud records and find out if it is actually a cross between those two horses. When the cross happened, what the b-day was, and the s*x and color of the foal.

Also try to look up her registared name.

If the previous owner doesn't want to or say's they don't know this info. Then you were probably scammed.

Answer 2

A bill of sale and a yearly Coggins test should be good.

I don't know what a registered un-papered horse is supposed to be. I think she was giving you a bull story. Ether she is reg. or she's not. Unless she has/had an application for registration and it was never sent in.

Answer 3

you could register her as your own...i dont know if u'll be able to find her bloodline. that sounds like something you should talk to AQHA about.

when you register your horse, yes, you will be a member to.

as for age, you should really trust your vet. he does know better.

u can go to the AQHA website and look for a phone

number and start from there.

they should be happy to help you.

(:

Answer 4

All you need is a BILL OF SALE to prove that you bought the horse from someone.  

Unless your going to breed her to sell the babies or going to race her you don't really need papers.

Papers don't make love and friendship any stronger.

Answer 5

if she is registered, she should have papers somewhere or her pedigree should be traceable. If papers are lost and her history can be verified, I'm sure that there would be someway to get a duplicate copy of the pedigree.  But to say unpapered but registered, does sound a little fishy.  If you knew who the breeders were, her sire or dam you could trace it but you have to have some information to begin the search.

Some breed registeries offer traces by markings but with a paint..describing two hind stockings would give way too many options, if you know what I mean.

I would think proof of owner ship would be similar to a bill of sale unless there were papers and then they would have to be transferred from the previous owner to you along with a fee as well as a fee for joining the association.   But you should have some sort of Bill of Sale for the transaction of buying her and from whom.  Some registeries allow a search for fee some require memberships you would have to check with each.  But you have to find that clue to back track to connect the dots and find the identity of your horse.  Does her name have any clues?

Good Luck...CSI is on the case!!

Answer 6

I hope you have a signed Bill of Sale, which is your proof of ownership.

If this horse is registered, and the seller didn't have the papers, it is entirely possible that whoever has the papers might be looking for the horse, and be able to claim ownership...so, I hope you have that bill of sale.  The person you bought the horse from may not even legally have owned it.

This happens in divorces and relationship breakups fairly often.  One party retains the papers when the splitup occurs, but hasn't been able to physically take possession of the horse fast enough before the other party sells it and pockets the money.

This may not be the case, but it could be.  Can you still contact the seller?  I'd try to get more information that way.

ADD....a DNA test is worthless if there is no DNA record on the lineage, which I'm almost sure there isn't.

Answer 7

Possession is 9/10ths of the law... if nobody else has papers on her either, they can't exactly take her from you.

Answer 8

Contact AQHA APHA, I do know they can have a way to do a dna test... Its been a while since I was told about it... but call and ask them!

Also get a bill of sale ASAP! Its just a piece of paper saying when you bought her, who you bought her from and how much.