How do the doubters explain the cold January?

Question

I see a few doubters making a big issue about 1 cold month. So how do you doubters explain it? If the sun was responsible for the last 3 decades of warming (as many doubter have claimed), then the sudden January temperature drop must be the result of a huge drop in solar output, right? Is there evidence to support that?

Or will the intelligent (I know there are some) doubters around here admit that weather is not climate and you can't determine any trends from a single 1-month data point or any regional weather event?

Answer 1

If the doubters continue to follow their own arguments then we only have to wait untill summer and they will all believe in AGW because it is so warm outside. The problem being that they will all deny it again next winter....

Answer 2

January is the middle of freaking winter of course it will be cold this month just as it is hot in July. This does not prove anything to either camp so what.

I doubt it you do not does that make you more caring than me or you more holier than me? NO. GW is a political topic that in it self should prove that it is a scam. If the government really believed in it they would shut down the grid, stop oil imports and shut down all activity. Taxing manufacturing more will not solve anything but make more people unemployed? Is that what you want? I hop not. Get a life and think for your self some. People who get paid to "prove' man made GW will disregard any info that does not support their theory as is the other studies.  One day a month or a week a year does not make a climate change. When we have day after day of snow in India or month after month of summer like days in winter then we can talk until then a 1 degree change over 100 years is not big deal. The earth warmed up after the last ice age that is proof enough that the earth gets warm and cool. The SUV did not create GW or CC.

The south went through a drought because of the lack if strong hurricanes that the south depends on for rain. I live in the south and we always get the reminents from hurricanes but they were not that numerous these past few years thanks for playing though.

Answer 3

brrrrr.....

global warming is no longer an issue :)

Answer 4

To put it quite simply the weather shall do as it pleases wether the doubters want it to or not.

Answer 5

what the h**l is a doubter?

Answer 6

The cold January is because of La-Nina, but more importantly could be the signal that represents the flip of the PDO. Nothing that we have recorded has a more rapid and dramatic effect on climate than the Pacific, decades of frequent El-Nino's essentially caused a warming period from 1977 to 2003. The thirty year period before 1977 saw more frequent La-Nina's, which resulted in a cooling period. If a large part of the surface of the planet (the Pacific Ocean) cools, latent heat energy will be transfered from the atmosphere to the surface, that's how I explain the temperature drop, as well as the temperature increase over the last 30 years.

http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/people/klaus.wol...

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Answer 7

global warming is a hoax created by Al Gore....

BTW. Al - thanks for the internet!!

Answer 8

People are so ignorant and simple minded!

Every winter there is a flood of questions asking how there can be global warming if it is so cold.

And every summer there are a flood of statement-questions saying how the hot weather proves global warming.

People can't seem to think beyond right now. What hope have we as a society if people cannot think beyond the moment and consider the bigger, subtler, more complex situation? It almost is like people telling Galileo the Earth can't be moving because they can't feel it moving.

Answer 9

I doubt you will get many answers...

Answer 10

you're right. the only way to have a clear picture of climate change, is to use a moving average. if you do this then the small rises and falls are removed and a rising trend is seen clearly.

Answer 11

Well you kind of answered it yourself. Weather is not the same as climate, and to make arguments based on weather alone is to misunderstand this difference. If however, the weather begins to show trends that continue for extended periods – decades, centuries, or more – it would be legitimate climate change. That might actually be a good question: at what duration does it become climate change, not just a weather trend?

Answer 12

bla bla bla

Research what has being going on with the weather 15 years ago and what it is going on now.  How much snow fall was occurring in places versus now?  Is the water rising in Venice?  What is going on with the coast line and the houses along it?    Why is the southern states having so many issues concerning water?  Why are rivers and streams going bad?  Why is there smog in some large cities?  Does it have an affect and what is it? If you choose to stick your head so high up in the clouds because you think you are so smart, then come down to earth -- do some solid research -- you'll see weather and temperatures are changing. Man is a contributing factor is speeding up the process.  You don't have to be some brainy mathematician to figure it out.

Answer 13

If it makes you feel better, Ken, go ahead and try to control the Earth's natural cycles. We humans, all powerful, all knowing, all understanding can't contol inflation, moral decay, education of our youth, deportation of jobs, rain, snow, thunder, droughts, famine, terrorists, airline crashes, etc, etc.

But we sure know what causes "global warming" and how to solve it.  Wow!  Thank you !!

Answer 14

Agreed - Weather is not nearly the same thing as climate.  Global warming is definitely happening, although the exact cause may still be up in the ((warmer)) air.

Answer 15

Not coldest everywhere: “January has seen temperatures +2.3 °C above average for the whole of France. The sixth warmest January since the start of the 20th Century and just 0.3 °C less than last year.”

http://pistehors.com/news/ski/comments/0...

And Britain has had some exceptionally warm weather this month, temperature at Trawsgoed in Ceredigion soared to 18C, or 64F. The average for February is normally 7-8C, or about 45F.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7241622...

Nature is so confused by the mild winter conditions that many species of animal and plant are convinced that spring has arrived.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/en...

There is a fairly strong LA NINA at present [strongest since 1988/89) that is expected to last for a while yet. And no-one said we would stop having seasons. The severe conditions this winter in regions across the world (The return of flooding to England this winter, heavy flooding in West Africa and the heavy snowfall in China.) are due to La Nina's influence, pushing air streams and atmospheric bodies of moisture around and are consistent with past La Nina's.

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/releas...

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs...

La Nina general: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...

“The current La Nina is expected to result in above-average precipitation in the northern Rockies, the Pacific Northwest, the Ohio and Tennessee valleys, and parts of the Great Lakes region. Below-average precipitation is expected across most of the South, particularly in the south-eastern states.”

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/...

If the temperature drops below zero then that precipitation falls as snow.

“This year’s La Niña is likely to turn out to be the strongest we’ve had since 1988-89, about 1.5C (2.7F) cooler than normal. It has a big effect on global climate, temporarily cooling the globe despite global warming,” said Adam Scaife, at the [UK’s] Met Office. As La Niña cools the Pacific, less warm air rises off the sea, which has an impact on the atmosphere. The impact of La Niña on a global scale is like a pebble dropped in a pond; waves travel out from the source of La Niña and interact with the jet stream which also affects the UK and Europe,”

Meanwhile the Arctic sea-ice continued to melt throughout last year (2007), the north-west passage opened for the first time since records began.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/america...

And on Aug. 17, 2007 the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre reported there was less sea ice in the Arctic than ever before on record.

Your right, its the overall trends that indicate if climate is changing. And the trends, declining sea ice in the Arctic, warmer winters, and so on indicate a warming world.

I'll also point out the obvious, which is that warmer air holds more moisture, it has to go somewhere. Also that if the temperature is below zero then this moisture falls as snow.

We’ve only seen a half degree C. rise in temperature in the past 50 yrs, many countries see winter temperatures fall well below zero. (It often reaches minus 37 C. on Baffin Island in winter for example); winter hasn’t been abolished in those areas; temperatures will need to rise a lot more to do that.

Answer 16

The short-term trend has been DOWN since 1998...you're right, a single month is an aberration.  Over a hundred, averaged out, however...

Answer 17

Ken lets be fair.  There are many warmers who use the same argument because of an usually warm winter or hot summer.

Answer 18

well earth goes into stages were it warms then cools again we will still go into an ice age just  it may not be as cold as it use to be due to global warming

Answer 19

I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt...In that you know what seasonal patterns are.

Edit: okay if you must know the reevaluated data from UAH didn't correspond with RSS and satellite info.If that doesn't do it for you, stick your head out the door.

Answer 20

I explain a cold January as winter.  I explain a hot sun as a big burning ball of fire.  I explain days, nights, and seasons as the tilting and spinning of the earth.  End of story.

Answer 21

Seasonal varations!!

Answer 22

Well you can break it down into categories.

Some doubters don't understand the difference between weather and climate.

Some understand the difference, but conveniently disregard this knowledge when it suits them (i.e. in the winter).

Some think they understand the difference, yet treat the abnormal weather (strong El Nino cycle) in 1998 as climate.

Some understand the difference and don't try to make 'cold January = global warming has stopped' arguments.

Unfortunately it seems by the ridiclous number of "where's global warming?" questions that the first 3 groups outnumber the last group.  Which is really not surprising, considering the fact that rejecting the AGW theory requires a person to reject the body of scienific evidence (or simply be unaware of it).

Answer 23

the doubters and their corporate sponsors hope each snow storm or cold win will make us all forget about gw i would like to forget about the other gw who was done nothin but f**t during this issue

Answer 24

Doubter-person who does not put all their marbles in unproven theories.

Believer- opposite of above.

Explanation-the Sun's output is not static.