How do we make rugby in America better?

Question

I want to start a serious discussion on this. If you aren't American you can add on but rugby lovers in other countries don't face the unique challenges that rugby fans in the U.S. does. (such as the dominance of football, lack of serious upper division club play, lack of widespread youth play, ect.)

Answer 1

I am a Brit living in the US and I have been coaching a college team for the last 2 years. I have 35 years background in playing, coaching and administering rugby in the UK and USA.

It seems to me that money is the fundamental root of the problem. Because of the lack of it, we have poor practice and coaching facilities, little publicity for the game and no effective way of competing at varsity level and beyond against the more traditional American sports.

Raising standards relies on several things:

1. Get kids into the game early - most who play in the US start at college, aged 18-19, which is way too late.

2. Provide quality training facilities - finding dedicated rugby fields is really difficult.

3. Develop strong coaches - the vast majority of coaches are well-meaning folks but they just have too little experience to be coaching decent teams.

4. The same goes for referees - the huge majority are very poor in their understanding of the game and this has a huge effect on the way the game is played, especially at the junior levels.

5. USA Rugby has to step up to the plate too - now that Nigel Melville is in charge, I am hopeful on this front, but it is still to early to say what progress he might be able to make. They must attract way more funding and publicity (especially TV air time) to the game.

6. To make any real impression, rugby must reach varsity status in colleges. To do that will take 40 colleges identifying the game as a varsity sport. To date, the number is around 5-6 nationally. We also need to get rugby back into the Olympics, particularly as the US won the gold last time it was an Olympic sport back in the 1920's. That should raise the sport's profile.

7. In the US, rugby has a poor image as a sport intrinsically linked with drunkenness and bad behavior. This image doesn't help recruitment at the junior levels, where parents tend to have a lot of influence over what sports their kids play. It also tends to deter businesses from providing much-needed sponsorship.

8. We have to do a far better job of minimizing the perceived risks of the game. Many people think it is just American Football without the pads and that is not an attractive thought for a concerned parent or a prospective recruit to the game.

I could go on all day but that's probably enough to be going on with.

All of the above require significant funding and sponsorship to make the US truly competitive on the world stage. Given the resources available here, there is really no reason why this cannot be achieved even in the medium term. We need strong leadership from USA Rugby to make this happen and I am rooting for their success because, at the end of the day, the US Eagles (men and women) should be in the top flight of world rugby.

Answer 2

Most people here in America don't know much about rugby. Rugby needs some serious exposure on TV, until that happens, we don't have a chance.

Answer 3

Publicity and important related facts:

Statisticians: get cracking !!!   We need to know:

1) N.A. Football vs Rugby 'collision' sport cf. 'contact' sport: record serious injuries, fatalities at all levels in one and the other sport

2) The importance of players NOT being allowed to wear any

protective device which could cause injury to an opposing player (or to the wearer) in rugby.

3) Whence the evolution of the protective armour of football players, instead of a more comprehensive view of the injuries that such armour can cause when used indiscriminately, as a standard of self-protection.

4) The mode-of-play in rugby: the iron-clad definition of what is a tackle: a wrap with one or both arms around an opposing player, in such a way that is not intended to cause injury, i.e.

not around the neck.

5) The cost of equipping (a) rugby team(s) for say a high school cf.to that for a football team.

6) The idea that in rugby a smaller player maybe have just as

much potential as a 6ft+ giant; a hard-to-sell idea for football

Answer 4

The NCAA is likely the worlds largest amateur athletic association have them spend more time and money to develop a more competitive University/College league.

If there are more scholarships and money on the line I think you'll see more development at a high school level.

If you look at the money they put into Hockey, and the results they get from that. That would be a good goal for US Rugby. US College Hockey is pretty impressive these days and does a good job of developing lots of talent. It's not the only route for hockey players obviously but it has become much more legitimate in the last couple of decades.

I'm Canadian so my view may be off the mark but that's just my thoughts.

Answer 5

Televise games.  After people start watching, any guy with a healthy amount of testosterone will want to give it a try.

I disagree when you say that it starts with the youth.  We have to play the hand dealt us.  The US has an established college club league and some pro teams.  We need to televise the pro teams to get exposure to highschoolers and other college students.  If some highschools start having rugby teams, then the skill level of the collegiate level will increase, causing the skill level of the pro leagues to increase, causing rugby to be more popular.  Once rugby has a decent following in the the 16+ age groups, then we can worry about getting wee ones involved.  Instead of rugby working its way up through the age groups, it needs to work down, simply because it's probably impossible to get little kid leagues started when the only precedent America has for rugby is a bunch of drunken meatheads running around stomping on eachother (no offense, I'm one too).

The beauty of it is, you don't NEED anyone to dump buckets of money into a highschool team.  It's not like there's a bunch of equipment to buy, like in hockey.  You just need about 30 guys to sign a petition to start a team and have either the players or the school pay the CIPP fees and insurance.  If that happens in 8 schools within an hours drive of eachother, then you have a league.

Answer 6

This is a great question.  I honestly believe that it starts at grass roots.  You need to start at a young age where you are able to teach kids the basics at the age of 5.  At this age you can drill the basics in and build build build. Than you need to maintain that group till they reach an age where you can influence and develop their game say around 15/16.  Kids at the age of 5 are learning to play soccer - same thing applies to Rugby.  The important aspect to remember is that the biggest fans will be the parents, family and friends.  When you start at grass root level - you not only teach the players (kids) you also educate the spectalors (parents) as well.  

Teaching the game to youth would be hard because they are so use to game concepts that are associated with football and therefore hard to see the techniques required for the game to be played properly.  you will need to deconceptualise and reeducate youths in order to promote the game.

One thing that always got me when watching US gridion is that rugby players would make the same types of tackles as you do in gridiron but without the pads and helmets - which is equally dangerous - but thats the true nature of rugby.  You either committment or you don't.

On  a personal note - you will notice that i'm a girl providing feedback to your question.  But I can say that I have been around rugby all my life and love nothing more than watching a game.  

To develop interest in rugby in America would need you to  excit the kids/parents to playing something different.  Inspire the youth by letting them know that when they run out on the field - they represent a unique code of sport and reprsent colour of their club/school jersery.  Exposure them to international rugby - and how widespread it is in Europe, Pacific and in Asia - get the parents to imagine their son/s playing international rugby ( a unique technqiue/easily transferable skill)and being able to travel the world and get scholarships overseas.  This will be a good way to  build support/funds.    It needs developing and it needs to start from the beginning.  Otherwise..send a team to NZ - we will shape them up.

Kiwi/Manu Samoa Flavour

Answer 7

so im in high school and the HUGE problem with it is that schools do not fund teams because of all the risks involved ( well my public school )

its sooo hard getting girls to join our team because of the misconception that youll die out on the feild or get every bone broken - i dont mean to be sexist because i am a girl, but girls can be soo d**n prissy!

kids my age just dont know about it at all, since its never on tv or in magazines it doesnt get out there. but word of mouth works.

if there was a place for kids to be able to watch and understand and be commited it would most def help in develping it as a nationwide sport that everyone knows about.

thats what i think.

Answer 8

I think the biggest part is to really bring it to the youth.

Starting with flag rugby, and things like that.  Parents need to be educated.  I know most people who hear about rugby think that it is some crazy dangerous sport...any sport is dangerous but they need to know rugby is no more dangerous then American football.

I played in high school, and i could see it getting bigger, but once schools can recognize that this sport is something that is worth putting in there system, then something can really get started.

Answer 9

its simple actually ... let people know there is a sport called RUGBY !! its soo fun but 1/2 the people in the states dont know what it is . or that it even exists

Answer 10

I would have to say that it needs to start with TV coverage.  I am a former club player and the only games I can see are on Fox sports at 2am.    Soccer in this country took off when the world cup games were shown on ESPN.  We need a similar event to attract nationwide interest.  The hardest part is since the clock does not officially stop there are no TV timeouts that seem to plague the game of football.  Once people find out how to make advertising dollars from televised games the sport will start gaining interest.

Answer 11

I coach a under 19 youth rugby team and I struggle every year with the same issue.  Your average American is totally ignorant to the concepts of rugby.  To them it is a completely barbaric, dangerous sport, so getting youth involved is much more difficult.  However, a true fan would know that the sport is as dangerous as any other played by your average youth.  It our job to try and educate the general public on the technical aspects of the game. If you have a youth group interested in learning the game, I would definitely attempt to start them off at a lower physical level while learning the game, but not hold them back from the physical side.  Great question and I'm glad to see some hope out there!

Answer 12

u cant even speak english properly

how would u make rugby better in america

learn to speak the langauge correctly then ask

Answer 13

Many people in the US don't even know what rugby is!  My favorite response to my declaration that i play rugby was, "I like horses."  the girl thought rugby was polo!  In the north eastern states, there is much more development with rugby in highschools.  Its starting slowly like lacrosse and field hockey.   I recenetly moved to south carolina and our women's team started with 4 dedicated players, combining with 2 other cities to form a full squad.  WE're nearly able to pull together a full team now.  We need to get more people interested in the sport.  

Keep your eyes out for development camps that are provided by your local rugby union.  They often provide coaching and referee camps as well as player development camps for minimal fees.  I just attended one in the south in Atlanta that was run by the Americna Eagles Womens international team coaches- once in a lifetime experieince.  There were 60 people signed up for the camp and 17 of us women showed.   it was also try-out for the south select side.  pretty sad- thats not enough to field a team!  We have a double whammy in the south as women ruggers... lack of knowledge of the sport and trying to get women involved.  the camps really help out with skill level though.  most teams are player coached becasue it's hard to find adequate coaching in the US.  the things i learned 15 years ago in college are outdated (i started playing before we lifted for line-outs!)  These camps give new info and strategies that are used internationally and then you can take drills back to your team.

As rugby players, we need to get more involved in our communities to spread the word that rugby exists, is a great sport, and can be played by just about anyone.  Make your teams part of the community to generate interest... volunteer, do as much media as you can, go places together with your jerseys on... The more people we can get playing, the better the US will become and the more demand there will be for highschool teams.

Answer 14

Rugby is big in some High Schools in the States, particularly Utah, but the issue is retaining top athletes once they leave High School. If my kids were good athletes, I'ld be steering them toward a professional sport because money talks.

Only the top flight rugby players get good money eg. ex-All Black captains, senior players from top nations. The average player in Super 14 doesn't earn a great deal compared to other sports. ($US 55,000)

Get huge corporate sponsorship and the game will boom. No money, no top flight players.

I think it would be fantastic if the USA did have a top rugby squad.

Answer 15

Well I agree it starts with the youth, I know theres word going around central South Carolina about starting a league, and when I moved to SC I attempted to start a team in my high school, to no luck.  I'm currently in Germany, where they are getting into rugby big time, its been around for decades, maybe longer but with past history, it fell onto hard times, but, they market tag and flag rugby for its excellent ability to develop young childrens motor skills, hand eye coordination, running, flexability, more so than football, or Soccer as you call it.  So you can market the idea based on that.  More television support would also help, I know a few of the division tourneys were played in Ft Jackson last year, and coverage could be better, so word of mouth, newspaper coverage and the internet is currently the best we have to work on.  Try advertising through Youtube.com or Myspace.

Answer 16

I play rugby in the UK, and I think what it needs in the US is a major injection of learning, the schools, and colleges need to be educated on the sport. Yes it appears to be a dangerous version of American football to a lot of people in the US and in Canada. But if these people took the time to watch the game, they would then realise just how well mannered and patriotic the players are.

Rugby is the only sport on the planet where no one argues with the referee. He is addressed as Sir and his decision is final. The fans are always happy and joyous. There never ever seems to be any problems at rugby matches. Its a very good well mannered, fast paced game.

Education, Money, and good coaches are the key!!

Answer 17

You have a fantastic sporting infrastructure in US colleges and universities. A competitive college league in one state only would act as a fantastic nursery for US rugby. The reason I'd target the colleges is that because of traditional American sports like grid-iron and basketball so prevalent in high school sport, not everyone is going to make the college's starting team in these sports and rugby would become an option to those players. Also, it's easier to establish traditions in colleges, like an annual match against your arch-enemy (like Oxford vs Cambridge in the UK or like Stellenbosch vs Pretoria here in SA). I know the Ivy League schools do in fact play rugby, so this would be a great place to start.