How do you look up a family code of arms?

Question

I'm pureblooded Irish. i have a question up now about which tattoo i should get (with pix) but someone who answered gave me a better idea. I should get my family code of arms. how do i go about finding it?

Answer 1

You mean coat of arms. Just because you find one that was issued to someone with your surname does not mean you are entitled to it.  You may or may not be entitled to a coat of arms at all.  You may be entitled to a clan coat of arms which can be worn as a belt buckle.  Coats of arms do not belong to surnames.

The surname product business, which includes coats of arms or so called "family crest"  is one of the biggest scams around.  

Anytime you see one of those walnut plaques on someone's den wall with a coat of arms on it, or maybe a coffee mug or key chain with a coat of arms on it, what you are seeing is one that was issued to someone with the same surname as theirs and might not even be related.

See the links below, one from the British College of Arms, one regarding Irish coats of arms and one from the most prestigious genealogical organization in the U.S., The National Genealogical Society.

http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Faq.ht...

http://www.heraldry.ws/info/article10.ht...

http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comconsumerp...

We get a lot of questions like this from students.  If this is a school project, please print off the 3 links I have furnished you and give them to your teacher.

Answer 2

That's easy! Just search online for ________ Family Coat of Arms!

Answer 3

are u scare i dont think u should get it cause it might hurt.

Answer 4

If you first research your family history, you will then discover whether or not you are descended from a man who was granted the right to bear arms, until you have done that you cannot assume that a coat of arms belonging to a family with the same name as you, is also your family arms.( there is no such thing as a "family crest", the crest is part of a coat of arms or achievement).

Here is the same answer I have now given on countless occasions.

First you have to prove with documentary evidence that you are descended from a man who was granted arms, and then apply for permission to legally use them, the rules are very strict and can be upheld in the civil court of any country. Just because you share a surname with someone who was granted the right to arms does not mean that the right is also yours. The Heraldic tradition varies slightly between countries, but in essence they are all the same.

In the first instance the grant of arms was/is made to one individual and inherited by his descendants who alone may bear or use his arms, they were passed equally to each of his sons, each one added their own mark of cadency to those arms. The eldest son added a label – a horizontal strip with three pendant drops (during the lifetime of his father). The second son added a crescent, the third son added a five pointed star, the fourth son added a martlet, the fifth son added a annulet, the sixth a fleur de lys, the seventh a rose, the eighth a cross Moline and the ninth a double quatrefoil, which were then displayed on their shields to distinguish themselves from each other and their father, the sons passed their arms, complete with their own cadences, on to their own sons, who then added a second set of cadences to distinguish themselves from each other, their father, uncles and cousins.

When a man died, his eldest son then had the right to bear his father’s arms without the differentiation marks, the eldest son’s children would then add only one set of cadency marks, instead of two, and so on down the generations, the brothers of the eldest son continued to use the arms with their own cadency marks, which were later passed to their sons in the same manner, It all got very complicated.

Daughters also inherited the right to display their father’s arms if there was no male heir, a daughter could pass her father’s arms on to her sons. Wives, widows and daughters had a courtesy right to display their husband or father’s arms, normally on a diamond lozenge.

The original achievement remained the same through the generations, enhanced by the addition of the various cadences, however, the arms of more than one family could also be included on one shield. If both the man and his wife had the right to bear arms, they could be displayed side by side, called impalement, or if mixed together to form new arms, it was called compounding. One method was quartering, where the shield was divided into quarters, then, for example, if a man had no sons, his daughter or daughters inherited his right to the coat of arms, if one such daughter married a man who also had a coat of arms, her arms could be impaled with his, or be displayed on a

small shield in the centre of her husbands arms, their sons would then seek permission of the Heralds to bear arms, with their father’s arms in two quarters and their mother’s

in the other two quarters. With time the coat of arms could include the arms of many families and became very complex.

Dating originally from before the advent of surnames, the arms were in effect a means of identification, much the same as a surname. With the establishment of surnames during the 12th. And 13th. centuries, those families who already had the right to bear arms acquired a surname to go with their arms, once surnames were established and became hereditary, new arms were granted to men with an established surname, so it can, I think, be argued as to whether or not arms are attached to a family, or the family surname.

Neither were they (or surnames) introduced by the Normans for taxation purposes. The Normans arrived in England some 100 or more years before the first heraldic arms or devices began to appear.

Heraldry in Europe developed and evolved during the 12th.and 13th. centuries (1100-1200) Heraldic arms were a personal device, possibly for military purposes, or simply a display of status or vanity, it can only be guessed at because, today, no one knows the real reason. At first, arms were displayed without authority from anyone, but gradually became controlled by the Crown, through Heralds, whereby, men who could prove their ancient use of arms by their family, were granted permission to continue displaying them. Total control finally came about in the 15th.century, when Richard III

in 1484, established what is now known as the College of Arms, it still holds the

authority to grant or withhold the use and display of arms.

A crest was normally an ornament on a helmet and it was included within the family’s achievement (coat of arms) but later became used separately, as decoration on plate and cutlery, stationery etc.

If it is possible to access a copy of Burke’s “General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales” first published in 1842, you can find out if any particular family was ever granted the right to bear arms. It is unfortunately a fact that very, very few people, other than extremely well documented lines of royalty, nobility, gentry or maybe wealthy landowners, traders or other persons of note, can prove a satisfactory link back to that period. Generally, if a family is entitled to display arms, they are most probably still aware of the fact, it is not something usually “forgotten”. Today there are two types of arms, “granted arms”, which are formally conveyed by a sovereign, state, or other body with the authority to do so, these grants have legal status under the law wherever they are recognised. And there are “assumed arms”, which can be designed and used by anyone but carry no legitimacy.

http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comconsumerp...

Other countries have a broadly similar history of Heraldic rules and regulatory authorities.

Office of the Chief Herald of Ireland

http://www.nli.ie/en/intro/heraldry-intr...

Sources :-

Among others.

The College of Arms

http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/About/...

And the book by T.Woodcock & J.M.Robinson

“The Oxford Guide to Heraldry”.

Answer 5

If you're irish, it should not be too difficult to find your coat of arms. (it begins getting difficult the further east) Just type your lastname, or surname  in google along with, Irish Coat of Arms. So you should type, "(your surname here") Irish coat of Arms"

Search the web, and the images, until you find something you like. If nothing turns up, (which i highly doubt) try typing in

"(your surname here") Irish family Crest"

Hope this helps!