How does limited proxy evidence trump voluminous direct evidence?

Question

How do tree rings - even before we get into the flawed assumptions regarding what they mean - in trees that grew in the same place both during the MWP and today, trump trees growing then where it is too cold for them to grow today?

Answer 1

The definition of proxy is a summary in itself. Collaboration between two data sets only offer general assumptions and not absolutes. C13 can occur within the boundaries of nature. C14 is more or less an absolute. I don't really know what the inference is. There has been some questions into the methodology used, between location/regions, types of trees, age, canopy/density, disease, and natural occurring environmental conditions, such as fire and volcanic activity.

Answer 2

Your presumption that climate proxies are limited to tree rings is flat-out wrong.  This is the problem with deniers - you form conclusions based on little if any information.  "Common sense" based on ignorance will lead to the wrong conclusion every time.

Answer 3

Randall I am going to make for all the clear point that there are organizations that have in the past and will again in the future attempted to rewrite history and the data supporting history to reach a religious or political advantage. Everything we are dealing with here is based on one religious/political doctrine and because they really believe in this doctrine they will lie, cheat and alter anything to reach the objectives of that doctrine. This is the same kind of mentality that brought us the French, Spanish and English Inquisitions. This is the same thinking that brought us Stalin, Hitler and Sadaam.

This doctrine is expressed in a book called “Limits to Growth” and promulgates the view that we know where all of the resources of the earth are located and are currently exploiting them and we will never in the future of humanity have any more than these. This is their basic problem in that they have very poor imaginations and little mental creativity. They look at the earth and so that is all they can see because they are afraid to look up and see the great unknown above because it is bigger and greater than they are.

But on the other hand skeptics are the descendents of the explorers and pioneers and are challenged to look up and dream of what they might discover out there in the universe. So look up beyond the atmosphere and realize where the writers of limits to growth looked at the ground beneath their feet and saw only limits, those like myself that have vision look up and see unlimited plenty, all we need is the courage and resolve of pioneers to go out there and get it. But instead the faithful believers in limits will quiver in cowardliness in their caves in fear of those flickering lights while those such as I are challenged to go out there and use their resources to improve the lives of all!

So we who are willing to face the future with open arms and hearts need to find a way to cure those whose vision is more limited than ours of their unrealistic fears of the new frontier.