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How does this ghost stuff work?

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So uh..how does it work after u die some people claim u become a ghost...but i dont get how its true..u have no consciousness when u die...so how would u be able to here things,walk,talk or anything like that? it doesnt really make sense that when u die u can be alive again as just a thing of energy

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  1. I had an out of body experience once with the help of a female ghost that was hanging around the house I was renting in. There were other ghosts too, and I had never seen this ghost before but she was just there one night with a little kid ghost and she made me have this out of body experience and I imagine that's what dying is like. All the energy in your body collects like your going on vacation and you just float out as one ball of energy. What some people call a Spiritual Orb. I floated out and then I got scared cause I didn't know if I was breathing. Then I felt incased in concrete and I somehow was back in my body. I remember it well though. It wasn't a dream. Whether you believe it or not...it's true, and you will find out one fine day. So keep wondering, doubter. hehe


  2. I'm not sure whether I believe in ghost or not. I used to think that if ghosts did exist then it ment God must not because when you die your spirit is supposed to go either to h**l or heaven. Some ghosts could be angels or demons, others could be a deceased person with unfinished business. I've heard alot of stories about the subject but never actually seen one myself, so I'm undecided.  

  3. F.W.H. Myers actually nicely answered this question in 1882 in his landmark work in psychical research in England. This was about the time of the founding of the Society for Psychical Research (SPR).

    Myers proposed a concept, echoed by his friend and colleague William James, that the mind / body problem had to be viewed in an 'integrated' manner. In other words, you couldn't simply discount viable evidence of mind creating body effects any more than you could discount the possibility of body creating mind. And in this is the key answer to your question.

    If in fact there is a overarching 'Subliminal Self' that actually binds what we have come to call our conscious or waking mind and our subconscious or unaware mind if you like, it follows that this may be able to exist without the physical body. Respected research in this field for over a century has demonstrated this is likely the case. Only now though is it being recognized.

    What Myers suggested and others are now beginning to believe is true is that we have a unique ability to exist and interact with things outside the scope of the physical world. This may well explain such phenomena as 'ghosts' to come back to your question.

    And to your point, you may well have 'consciousness when you die' which is exactly the point. Therefore you are able to interact with others, can be seen either at the point of death or shortly thereafter. It does make perfect sense, but only when you see the mechanism in the light of more than the physical world with which we are all so familiar.

  4. As far as what happens when we die, NO human can know. It's all a mystery.

    However, if you want to believe in ghosts, have someone rap you sharply in the head several times with a sturdy ball peen hammer. The vast majority of believers of the paranormal have suffered traumatic brain injury or were born with severe cranial deformities.

    The rest are just simply gullible, yet harmless idiots.

  5. No one knows for sure. That is why there are so many investigators trying to capture evidence to prove ghosts exist. Some things are not meant to be known. Stuff like this video keeps people wanting more answers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yptum53v6...

  6. Let's put it this way: this 'ghost stuff' doesn't work, that's just it. Anything, anything of actual empirical value in this world has substantial, documented evidence to back it up - gravity, atomic structure, electricity, other phenomenae.

    However, when it comes to 'spooky' things like ghosts, aliens and magic - oh, what's this? The only documentation is second-hand information, stories and legends. The fact that in this day and age, especially considering the breadth of people that claim to have encountered ghosts and aliens, that no factual, hard proof exists of these things, must therein lie testament to the fact their very concepts are all faulty.

    Just two or three hundred years ago we killed people for suspicion of practicing witchcraft. Now, most sensical people know that magic and witchcraft are bullhockey. The few that don't believe that they have magical abilities yet somehow, if they are so powerful, why aren't they doing anything useful with it?

    The same goes for ghosts - it's not that the proof is so hard to find - it's that there is no proof. How the very notion of spirits of the dead had survived for millenia until now is beyond me. Why don't we see ghost squirrels all over the place? Ghost ants? Maybe they have no unfinished business?

  7. consciousness goes far beyond the physical body, far beyond what today's science is able to understand or even measure. There is far more out there than we are as of yet capable of understanding.  

  8. Some of us believe that our bodies are just a shell that we live in.  When it dies we move out of it.    

  9. Being that no one in this room is a ghost, your question can not be answered.

    For all you know, you are a ghost right now on an endless journey to correct all your mistakes.......

  10. Well, those are just a few things that seem contradictory about the notion of spirits. Belief in ghosts or spirits, from what I can tell, is very much a religious or faith-based belief, so the inconsistencies or contradictions are not deal breakers. Sometimes it is dressed up with ostensibly scientific sounding measurements and equipment, but the conclusions from those measurements are also ultimately faith-based since nothing is independently known and testable about spirits. If you're asking how does it work, it really doesn't as far as can be known from a scientific point of view. There is no mechanism to describe, no systematic process to understand. It's entirely conjecture and opinion. That doesn't prove ghosts don't exist, just that there's not much reason to think that they do.

  11. Congratulations,you've used logic to help you decide.When it comes to ghosts nothing about them makes sense.In fact most of it is downright silly.

  12. I'm open minded on this subject having never seen a ghost myself. I suppose that when you die you cease to have a physical form but your consciousness could survive in the collective form that links us all but as for walking, talking and hearing I couldn't comment.

    With regards to sightings, COULD BE, and I stress that, a distortion in a time line with figure appearing distorted between alternate realities? only a guess though.

  13. It doesn't work.  It's all a bunch of bs

  14. Tex.. can you follow up your assertion with anything scientific or factual? Any REAL solid advice? I know several people who believe and study the paranormal.. and are sensitive to it.. who are doctors/lawyers and successful business people. I highly doubt that they have a brain injury or are just stupid.

    If that is how you feel.. why are you even on this forum? Or is it your way of trying to sound intelligent and superior while uttering ignorant and unfounded "facts" to people who don't care about your pointless rants?

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    My bad Tex.. read some of the questions you personally posted and realized that in fact you are just that ignorant. Posting questions that mock the French, Democrats, the government, Northerners (or Yanks, as you call them), and even go as far as to call Americans lazy.. amongst others. Wow.. must suck to be as bitter and ignorant as you.

  15. It is supposed that your soul is divided in 3 layers... one of this layer leaves to the afterlife and the other two stay ground.

    One of them is somehow a "physical" entity (which appears a ghost) and the other one is a "mental" entity (which combines with the physical creating somewhat an intelligent ghost, which features memories of the person and such).

    These two are supposed to wonder and finish something you left undone, when this is over, the "mental" part leaves and the "physical" stays like a shell... and this becomes a senseless wondering ghost.

    I'm not satisfied with this explanation (some pseudo-paranormal-scientist came with), but it pretty much covers in a ethereal way your question.

  16. It only works if you're retarded.

  17. Your spirit leaves your body, you have a choice of moving on into the next life or staying behind either to wait/watch over a loved one or try to settle things you need to do. Mirrors are the best way to catch glimpses of spirits to those who aren't open minded or clairvoyant. It's very complicated to understand, surprisingly many people dont move on after death, they stay behind to follow or watch over their children or even grandchildren, and try to help protect them. Your not necesarily "alive again" once your body dies, your spirit is free to move on. Your spirit is your self image, if your honest self image is a child then its a child if its you at 120 lbs even though ur 249lbs then ur spirits still watever u believe it is. Your BODY has no consciousness when you die. Your spirit does.

  18. Yes, you're right, it doesn't make any sense at all which is why most of us don't believe in ghosts.

  19. A lot of what you say seems to make sense, based on our limited understanding of the universe. However, my favorite argument against the irrational kind of skepticism is that we can't even explain gravity after 400 years of observation, so why do we believe we know everything about how the universe works? Lots of things are unprovable.

    We just don't know. That's why ghosts are considered paranormal. They are "unexplained phenomena" because nobody has set about trying to figure out just what is happening, or how it works. People are too busy bickering over whether or not it's real enough to waste time to investigate. With a solid 14% median increase per year since 2000 in reporting of the paranormal, there is certainly something happening. It's irrational to simply dismiss it.

    It's also irrational to believe in something without cause. While I've had personal experiences that definitely tell me that ghosts are real, many people haven't. They make things up, flatly. There are many people who also make unsubstantiated claims of speaking to the dead, as well. They tend to be either mentally ill or intentionally fraudulent. We have people who claim to be able to accomplish things, but there is little proof of anything except remote viewing (verifiably taught by the military and studied by the CIA, both for espionage reasons). And though it has side effects and tends to be only about 85% accurate, it just doesn't meet the 98% requirement for valid use. But it most certainly exists, according to the government's data. It's even stumped Penn & Teller, who tried to debunk it. Remote viewing is real, and it's unexplainable, and there's data on it, and it's unexplained... but paranormal? There's no explanation as to how it could work, though there are some theories starting to be presented in quantum physics to try to explain it. Oh, and... it's unexplained. That means there's not any explanation. It proves neither truth nor falsehood.

    The only rational course of action is to suspend judgment until it's proved to be either true or false. The skeptics have as much to prove as the believers (apparently, or they wouldn't harass the believers so much in a forum like this), so until one side or the other can solidly make its claim, then us rational people have to stay in the middle and decide to let the evidence decide.

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