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How many wins do you think Kyle Busch would have if he were at JGR the whole time?

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I'm guessing around 20.

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  1. he would have 69!


  2. 3    the number 34 chevy  driven by billie bob johnson would have more.  

  3. a lot!

  4. I think you're right.  He was third in line at HMS, so the best went to jeff and jimmie.  He still made the chase two years at HMS, and even had a fair shot at it until Jr took him out at the 5th or 6th race, can't remember exactly.  Please note that Rowdy fans don't bring that up ad nauseum.

    JGR put him on equal footing with Denny and Tony and they matched him up with the right people.  I've said many times in this forum that even with a new team, new manufacturer, and new crew chief, Rowdy's talent just can't be denied.  JGR is the best thing that ever happened to Kyle.

    tregoste.......good point he has and continues to mature.  It was said of him before that once he learns how to win, there will be no stopping him.  He's proving that to be true.

  5. being at joe gibbs has nothing to do with it, kyle is just on a hot streak. i would say about 13

  6. Oh about 900...!!! He's just that good isn't he?

    You guessed it...!!!

  7. I do not know.  I think one of the main reasons why he is doing so well this year is Hendrick really ticked him off last year and this is his way (it was at first) of saying look what you let go.  

    I think that if he had driven for Gibbs last year he would have had some wins, but Gibbs was in a different brand of car last year too.

  8. I think you are right about 18-20

  9. That's a good question, people forget how dominant JGR was last year.  They (JGR cars)  were always running up front and leading laps but it seemed like Tony and Denny had a lot of mechanical problems/cut tires, mistakes on pit road or got caught in wrecks that prevented them from getting more wins.  The same has been the case with those 2 this year.  I think Kyle would have 4 or 5 more wins if he had been at JGR the whole time.  All the drivers there have similar driving styles and they all like extremely loose cars.  That transfer of information would have benefited him plus it seems like his personality fits better there.  One thing to remember, Kyle has matured a lot in the last year, he would have still been prone to mistakes attributed to being a younger, more aggressive driver no matter where he was at.  It's hard to say but I think he'd have around 16 or 17 wins right now had he been there from the get go.

    3 STR8 N 08!!!

  10. That sounds pretty close.

  11. I never thought that even before I was a "Kyle" fan that Rick Hendrick put the same amount of time, energy and MONEY into the #5 car.  I think it held back those who raced in it.  That being said Kyle still did well enough with Hendrick to cause me to believe that had he been given better equipment he could certainly have done better.  Now with JGR he is proving it. So my answer is yes I believe he would have many more wins, but how many more...I think 15 or 20.

  12. It seems like you are applying that JGR is better than HMS.  That is not true.  Other than Kyle, JGR has one win.  Kyle is just maturing and getting better over time.  If he had started with JGR, he would probably be about where he is now.  If JGR was the best, you would have Hamlin and Tony winning races also.  Same with toyota in general.  Kyle is a great driver and is just now starting to win races.  

    Also everyone usually has breakout years.  Next year Kyle might not win any races.  Dale Jr won 6 races in a season, Kenseth won 5 back in 2002, Jeff Gordon won 13, Johnson had several.  Just because Kyle is winning a lot of races this year doesn't mean he will win a lot of races next year too.  Kyle is just having a good year.

  13. I think his success this year is part equipment and part maturity. He is certainly maturing more and more every week so I really do not put a whole lot of his improvement into the equipment factor. I still think he had pretty good equipment last year but if you combine the slight upgrade in machinery along with maturity and his desire to show Hendrick that he made a mistake then I think it all comes together for him!!

    Back to your question, I will go 15

    I really think his release was great for Kyle and Dale Jr. It worked out well for everyone involved except DEI.............Ha Ha Ha!!!

  14. i just don't see why you think that. HMS is as every bit as good as JGR if not better. If kyle couldn't perform this well there, then it's obviously not the driver. It's the manufacturer and it's extra horsepower.  

  15. hard to say when they were all driving chey's before this year

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