Hybrid hydrogen conversion kit for cars?

Question

If i attached 2 wires and a hose in a glass jar with water that is sealed with a lid. Than i connected the 2 wires to a 12 volt source and connected the hose to the intake manifold of the car. When turned on hydrogen will travel up the tube in to the manifold causing a explosion when ignited by the spark plugs this hydrogen explosion mixed with regular gasoline will in theory save 35-50 percent more on fuel.

But will this contraction work? Ive looked it up online, but unusually there is not much forums talking about it except for advertisements. This is the site i looked at that gave me a genreal idea of how to make such a conversion kit for a vehicle- http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=ecofuelsnz.

This all seems possible but at the same time im quite skeptical yet how come i don't see any sites online debunking this? Please don't say this is " BS" unless you quote a source. Out of curiosity Im gonna try this out if someone convinces me that this in fact is a hoax.

Thank you

Answer 1

The hydrolysis pat of the setup will have 2 outputs, either separately or together, Hydrogen and Oxygen. Separated,we still have both gases that will contribute to the combustion process.

If left combined they would be too unstable for any purpose. the explosion will produce a flashback, right past the intake valve into the hydrolysis unit.

The claim that one would achieve a 35 to 50% fuel economy surely must be based on some expected volume of hydrogen and oxygen being supplied, and on some low amount of energy being required to create that hydrogen and oxygen.

There would be some energy being consumed.

The plan does not describe some mechanism to regulate the production of those two gases, so we have to ask, very seriously, how can we predict a given percentage of fuel savings?

And, do we imagine that this construct would work identically with a small engine or a large one?  I mean, does the design scale for all engine sizes? If we installed double the size of hydrolysis unit, can we go to  70 to  100% reduction in fuel costs?

In general, it takes more energy to strip hydrogen from water than we get back when we burn it, so we need some explanation of economy gains. Remember that an internal combustion engine is typically only about 35% efficient, so we can imagine recovering a higher percentage of that theoretical energy in the fuel.

We have examples that steam mixed with the fuel air mixture raises the effective octane rating of a fuel, allowing it to deliver more power. It might be that we are getting that effect. But without a device to regulate the amount of hydrolysis the process has to be very much a matter of hit and miss.

Answer 2

The rig will generate hydrogen and oxygen, and your car will burn these along with the regular fuel.  So in that sense, it does indeed work, plus or minus the inconvenience of the whole arrangement.  

But it won't save you any gasoline.  That's because the electrical energy that you use to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen ultimately comes from the alternator, and the additional electrical load on the alternator translates to an additional mechanical load on the engine--that is, the alternator is harder for the engine to turn when it's producing your hydrogen and oxygen, so the engine has to work harder.  It turns out that some of this electrical energy also ends up heating the water, so you never get out as much energy in the form of burnable H2 and O2 as you put in through the alternator belt.  

The people who promote such hydrogen schemes don't understand this--they think that there's 'excess voltage' or "unused energy" available from the car's electrical system, and there is not.  You could charge the battery at home, which would effectively power your car through your home's electric meter, but it would be a good deal of work.

Answer 3

You might check out the Mythbusters episode that tried a hydrogen conversion method (Exploding Pants/Great Gas Conspiracy).  It didn't work.  They did prove that feeding straight hydrogen into the tank can start the car, but it is HIGHLY combustible.  The only promising alternative they proved viable was used vegetable oil for diesel tanks.

Hope this helps.

Answer 4

To get some benefit from it u would need to reduce the gasoline air ratio. At present the intake is not burning all the fuel that u have in the cylinder. There is some CO coming out the tail pipe so it doesn't help to increasee the Hydrogen fuel with no oxygen to burn it. If there was not enough oxygen to burn all the fuel ,it would do any good to increas the amount of fuel. To demonstrate this remove the breather filter and inject some moor gas of some kind.I used acetylene and the motor does not speed up. It will do u no good.