Hydrogen fuel (water for gas)?

Question

my man done built one of these containers with wires and plans to hook to car. I did some reseach found out it could be explosive and tried to talk him out of it since it is our only running car. but he says better than paying gas. so my question is any one else have one on car any problems?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell

Answer 1

Remember that water is the 'ash' left over after hydrogen burns. Ever try to reburn ashes?

The only hydrogen those things create is made by the battery, and it will eventually drain the battery. The only version that even has a chance of really working takes advantage of 'orgone' or zero point energy, but I don't think even the Joe Cell generates the high voltage that would be necessary to tap into the ZPE field.

Answer 2

I would recommend that whoever it is waits for hydrogen cars to come out in around 2009 or 2010 and tries to be as fuel efficient as possible for now. I wouldn't recommend making a homemade hydrogen fuel cell because hydrogen, especially when compressed, can cause huge issues, even explosions, like the blimp that blew up in Hindenburg.

Answer 3

Yes these things do work, they use distilled water and lye to create browns gas which is then fed into the air intake.

The oxy-hydrogen is then burned in with the fuel/air mixture in the chamber producing a little bit larger and more powerful explosion (hydrogen burns differently than fuel). This is what makes the car more efficienct.

And to the guy who says that the alternator does not put out any extra electricity, you are just wrong. Think about how many extras you can add to a car before you have to upgrade your alternator. you can add a bigger sound system, LCD screens, recharge your phones, etc.. all of this uses electricity that the alternator generates without your car battery going dead. So yes there is extra electricity in the alternator that can be used and if the product is made correctly you only need about 10amps and the Lye will create the chemical reaction that splits the hydrogen.

Answer 4

The only real danger is when you find out he could have taken you out to dinner instead of wasting money on this CON. Yes I said CON it’s been around since before the 1970’s. I can go into the math if you wish but in the end he’s only getting back less the 20% of the energy that he’s putting in.

And No the alternator isn’t putting out excess power, No it’s not going to burn the 50 PPM (parts per million) of un-burnt hydrocarbons in the exhaust (even if it could you wouldn’t see an increase if fuel mileage).

Ask hubby this, if it’s so easy and cheap, why are they not on new cars already? I watched your link, I’ve seen one’s like it before, and all in all there was maybe $20 worth of parts (retail) or maybe $5 wholesale. Car companies spend millions to get a fraction of a percent better fuel economy out their engine why wouldn’t they just add $5 or less to the price of a car and get the 10 to 50% better fuel mileage?

If you believe that big oil is suppressing the device, think about this, the oil companies would have to kill this device, suppress all the data, buy off every government in EVERY country where cars are built including countries that import ALL their oil. I’ve noticed that big oil hasn’t stopped all the web sites, strange. Not really it doesn’t work so why suppress it.

Also notice most of the web sites don’t claim to increase your fuel mileage, they post testimonials of people who claim the device increased their fuel mileage, and also notice most the plans or books are e-books. They do that so they don’t go to jail for fraud or mail fraud.

Answer 5

these hydrogen converters are great transfer devices, they are quite efficient at transferring money from your pocket to the person selling these things.

Answer 6

Note that what your man is installing is not the same thing as what you've linked to in Wikipedia.  A real hydrogen fuel cell uses hydrogen, not water, for fuel.  

The good thing about these devices is that they won't hurt your car.  They do, however, cost money and actually reduce your gas mileage.  They're based on a mis-understanding of the chemistry involved and the electrical theory behind the operation of the car's alternator.  

You can see at least one marvelous bit of fictional electrical theory among the other answers: apparently this expert believes that the current rating of the alternator closely reflects the actual energy that it uses at any instant, and that the alternator always produces the same amount of energy until you put in a larger one.  To the fellow's credit, I should emphasize that it takes a solid semester of schoolwork to understand most of this, and such things are not considered important in schools these days.  

Now you know why education can save you money.

Answer 7

if it is done right it is possible to use it in a safe manner. if it is done wrong then yes it can explode. think of this when your gas tank is mostly empty it is a very dangerous thing. all that air and gas together all it would need is a spark inside your gas tank an booooommm. manufacturers make sure your gas tank is grounded and the sending unit is low powered and the fule pump is explosion proof. most fuel pumps are inside the tank these days. they spark when working.

you can make a hho generator and put it on your car to supplement the fuel mileage won't be much but it will add to the fuel milage. there is a guy here in fairbanks that has one on his ford f250 and has been using it for 8 years. it is really cool. he is not using it to increase his fuel mileage. he is using it to clean up the exhaust and make it burn all the excess fuel so his emissions are as clean or cleaner than that of a fuel injected vehicle.

Answer 8

I seen them try it on myth busters.  The converter kits doesn't work.  There was one instance that the car kind of exploded.  

Perhaps you can find the old episode before he tries it.

Answer 9

Hydrogen is an extremely dangerous gas to mess around with so doing it on your own or with a kit you bought online is too risky to consider. In a few years, possibly one or two years, we will have a safe means of generating hydrogen as needed, instead of carting a big tank of flammable gas around with us. I will wait for that, most of these "plans" are nothing but scams, and I've seen them debunked on Mythbusters and other places.

QSI Nanosphere has a nano-material that makes the process of splitting water into hydrogen (and oxygen) 85% efficient. Once one of those is commercially available you can hook it up to a fuel cell to turn the hydrogen into electricty, add a small tank of water and a battery to power the process. It's not perpetual motion but it should be competitive with gasoline fueled cars before long and it's only emission is water vapor.