I am reaaly leaning towards the fact that everything is pre-determined what are your thoughts?

Question

Iwould this make you feel like a robot, happy or sad, dissapointed, not surprised..

what are some of your thoughts on living in a pre-determined world?

Answer 1

Where i come from...man/w is given the ultimate choice by the creator,God,universe or whatever to say yes or no.

Answer 2

Some determinism seems to be inevitable (reading Spinoza gives this feeling), but the problem of original thought and doubt remains. If you can be aware of determinism and question it, is that still a symptom of being bound by determinism?

I feel compatibilism is a better position, even though not all problems are solved.

Answer 3

I don't think free will exists, although I wouldn't say things are "pre"-determined, what with string theory and other things I don't understand.  I don't believe in souls, so I believe our brains are governed by physical laws just like the rest of the universe.

Unfortunately, most religious and justice systems depend on free will existing, blaming people for their actions, and I don't see any practical way to end this.  I suppose justice systems could gradually faze into rehabilitating criminals whenever possible, focusing less on getting vengeance and more on creating productive citizens.  But that's really just wishful thinking.

Answer 4

You are almost right.



It works like this; if you WRITE DOWN exactly what you want to do in your life, what you want in your life, then that is how your life will be.

If you have no ideas, thoughts, opinions about life, i.e. "live one day at a time," then how you live your life will be decided by others.

You then feel your life is pre-determined.

Answer 5

If you correct you could not make this comment.

P.1204 - §5 When Thought Adjusters ( Spirit ) indwell human minds, they bring with them the model careers, the ideal lives, as determined and foreordained by themselves and the Personalized Adjusters of Divinington, which have been certified by the Personalized Adjuster of Urantia (Earth). Thus they begin work with a definite and predetermined plan for the intellectual and spiritual development of their human subjects, but it is not incumbent upon any human being to accept this plan. You are all subjects of predestination, but it is not foreordained that you must accept this divine predestination; you are at full liberty to reject any part or all of the Thought Adjusters' program. It is their mission to effect such mind changes and to make such spiritual adjustments as you may willingly and intelligently authorize, to the end that they may gain more influence over the personality directionization; but under no circumstances do these divine Monitors ever take advantage of you or in any way arbitrarily influence you in your choices and decisions. The Adjusters respect your sovereignty of personality; they are always subservient to your will.

Answer 6

With so many billions of interacting events and personalities in our world, and so few predictable coincidences, it is difficult for me to think that my own little predictable, and often boring world, isn't self-imposed.  One need merely to change one's routine or meet new people to encounter interesting alter-versions of one's humdrum life.  But, truly, I think most people prefer to know what to expect.  More power to those that take the risks.

Answer 7

(And not an atom's weight in the earth or in the sky escapeth your Lord, nor what is less than that or greater than that, but it is (written) in a clear Book.) (Yunus 10:61)

(Not a leaf falleth but He knoweth it, not a grain amid the darkness of the earth, naught of wet or dry but (it is noted) in a clear record. ‏) (Al-An`am 6:59)

(Naught of disaster befalleth in the earth or in yourselves but it is in a Book before We bring it into being. Lo! That is easy for Allah‏.) (Al-Hadid 57:22)

Answer 8

The idea of intuition throws a curve ball at the idea of determinism. Edison used to fall asleep in a chair with two steel balls in his hands, held over metal plates. When he was rudely awakened by the clang, he would write down any thoughts that came to his mind. Intuition doesn't follow along a linear pattern like logic. It has a more holographic presence. Most of what we human beings do is indeed un-free, especially when we believe these here words that I'm now freezing here in cyberspace as FACTS! Fact is, there are no hard core facts about freedom or determinism, only beliefs. The science geeks like logic and objective evidence, but they are using their subjective natures, their hunches, their intuition, to accumulate the data. And metaphysical geeks fall in love with their subjective evidence, based on inspirational intuitive events, and can't see the forest because the trees are in the way. Both negate their own ability to think in some way.

A key to my personal freedom lies in my ability to pay attention to my own thinking. I can think anything that I want to think, and with practice, no amount of conditioning or external influence can completely determine that. Viktor Frankl found this out the hard way, in a German concentration camp.

My two cents

Amicably

Mike

PS. if your really serious about digging into this important human endevour, I'd suggest you try to read the online book that I pasted into the sources. It is intellectually challenging to say the least, but it is also quite thorough on the topic.

Answer 9

"Our decisions are predetermined unconsciously a long time before our consciousness kicks in," says John-Dylan Haynes, a neuroscientist at the Bernstein Center for Computational Neuroscience in Berlin, who led the study. It definitely throws our concept of free will into doubt, he adds.

This is by no means the first time scientists have cast doubt on conscious free will. In the early 1980s, the late neuroscientist Benjamin Libet uncovered a spark of brain activity three tenths of a second before subjects opted to lift a finger. The activity flickered in a region of the brain involved in planning body movement.

But this region might perform only the final mental calculations to move, not the initial decision to lift a finger, Haynes says."

The idea of determinism is that all events are the results of previous causes. If we heated a bar of iron, and the bar expanded, we would say that the heat was the cause of expansion.

The idea of a physically determined universe is associated with Sir Isaac Newton (1642-1727). This is sometimes called the billiard ball view of nature: A billiard ball will only move when acted on by another force such as another billiard ball hitting it. If we could measure the exact velocity and angle of the first billiard ball, we could predict the movement of the second.

The philosophical problem comes with human beings. If we were to accept the empirical view that human beings are organized systems of matter and that our minds are formed as a result of experiences then we may want to explain human behavior in terms of cause and effect.

If we knew enough about the biological make up of an individual, his early childhood experiences and the social and historical circumstances he was born into, then perhaps we could predict all of his actions. From this point of view the idea of free will (the ability to choose) is simply the result of or ignorance of all of the causal factors.

Determinism is actually backed up with a lot of evidence. However, uncountable people do not believe because it just seems illogical to them. Free will(choice) is merely an illusion that is part of determinism. So, in the big picture everything is determined but small choices we make, make up our destiny(the big picture) so it really depends on your perspective.

But note that determinism may not the case at quantum level, quantum mechanics suggests that everything is all probabilistic, which is not really compatible with determinism.